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Anyone had luck with Holset HE351VE

Anyone had luck with Holset HE351VE

 
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TurboTim
Holset

457
09-14-2015, 07:36 AM #1
I been running mine for a while, mostly with Ole's controller but now I am trying to run it just with springs but really only been getting about 25psi boost with 25 EGP.  I am going to try running an even stiffer spring to keep the vanes even more closed but am not sure what to expect. Maybe this turbo just needs a bigger motor with more exhaust volume to actually work properly. Looking for answers from people with direct experience with this turbo. Thanks

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-14-2015, 07:36 AM #1

I been running mine for a while, mostly with Ole's controller but now I am trying to run it just with springs but really only been getting about 25psi boost with 25 EGP.  I am going to try running an even stiffer spring to keep the vanes even more closed but am not sure what to expect. Maybe this turbo just needs a bigger motor with more exhaust volume to actually work properly. Looking for answers from people with direct experience with this turbo. Thanks


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-16-2015, 06:38 AM #2
Why do I always go boating into uncharted waters.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-16-2015, 06:38 AM #2

Why do I always go boating into uncharted waters.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

atypicalguy
Holset

555
09-16-2015, 12:58 PM #3
Steed is running g one on his 4bt and sells controllers. Basically I believe it is too big for a 3.0l motor. 4btswaps and a guy named Dougal and bush65 are the best people to ask. You will need to know how much fuel you want to burn and be ready to do some basic math, having some idea about volumetric efficiency. But they will tell you how to figure out what pressure ratios and exhaust turbine AR to run, intercooled or not. Maybe go with the he200vg which is available through Cummins here now, unless you just want huge top end. That Ole fejer controller seems very good so I am not sure why you are going to a crappier system?
atypicalguy
09-16-2015, 12:58 PM #3

Steed is running g one on his 4bt and sells controllers. Basically I believe it is too big for a 3.0l motor. 4btswaps and a guy named Dougal and bush65 are the best people to ask. You will need to know how much fuel you want to burn and be ready to do some basic math, having some idea about volumetric efficiency. But they will tell you how to figure out what pressure ratios and exhaust turbine AR to run, intercooled or not. Maybe go with the he200vg which is available through Cummins here now, unless you just want huge top end. That Ole fejer controller seems very good so I am not sure why you are going to a crappier system?

atypicalguy
Holset

555
09-16-2015, 01:12 PM #4
This should give you a good start. But keep in mind he is using an intercooler for these calcs

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread...nce-Review
atypicalguy
09-16-2015, 01:12 PM #4

This should give you a good start. But keep in mind he is using an intercooler for these calcs

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread...nce-Review

tgg416
K26-2

38
09-16-2015, 02:31 PM #5
Ole Fejer was useing a he351 in his 606 and a Mb G wagen. Because of heavy car he changed to 341
You find info with boostpreasure and rpm in his tread in his Drivetrain tread
Or at : www.ofgear.dk

Gwagen 460, om606.962. 722.6 Ole Fejer controller++
Gwagen 463, shitty 603,,,,at the moment,,,
Gwagen 463, 270cdi
tgg416
09-16-2015, 02:31 PM #5

Ole Fejer was useing a he351 in his 606 and a Mb G wagen. Because of heavy car he changed to 341
You find info with boostpreasure and rpm in his tread in his Drivetrain tread
Or at : www.ofgear.dk


Gwagen 460, om606.962. 722.6 Ole Fejer controller++
Gwagen 463, shitty 603,,,,at the moment,,,
Gwagen 463, 270cdi

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-19-2015, 07:52 PM #6
Do you actually know someone using Ole's controller to run the turbo? He personally told me I was the only one running it on a car. He had only ran it on a bench. He needs to do some more work to work out the bugs, then I may run it again

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-19-2015, 07:52 PM #6

Do you actually know someone using Ole's controller to run the turbo? He personally told me I was the only one running it on a car. He had only ran it on a bench. He needs to do some more work to work out the bugs, then I may run it again


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-19-2015, 07:57 PM #7
(09-16-2015, 12:58 PM)atypicalguy Steed is running g one on his 4bt and sells controllers. Basically I believe it is too big for a 3.0l motor. 4btswaps and a guy named Dougal and bush65 are the best people to ask. You will need to know how much fuel you want to burn and be ready to do some basic math, having some idea about volumetric efficiency. But they will tell you how to figure out what pressure ratios and exhaust turbine AR to run, intercooled or not. Maybe go with the he200vg which is available through Cummins here now, unless you just want huge top end. That Ole fejer controller seems very good so I am not sure why you are going to a crappier system?

(09-16-2015, 02:31 PM)tgg416 Ole Fejer was useing a he351 in his 606 and a Mb G wagen. Because of heavy car he changed to 341
You find info with boostpreasure and rpm in his tread in his Drivetrain tread
Or at : www.ofgear.dk

With just springs holding the vanes closed I am getting 30psi with close to same for backpressure. I just keep trying stiffer springs.
This post was last modified: 09-19-2015, 08:06 PM by TurboTim.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-19-2015, 07:57 PM #7

(09-16-2015, 12:58 PM)atypicalguy Steed is running g one on his 4bt and sells controllers. Basically I believe it is too big for a 3.0l motor. 4btswaps and a guy named Dougal and bush65 are the best people to ask. You will need to know how much fuel you want to burn and be ready to do some basic math, having some idea about volumetric efficiency. But they will tell you how to figure out what pressure ratios and exhaust turbine AR to run, intercooled or not. Maybe go with the he200vg which is available through Cummins here now, unless you just want huge top end. That Ole fejer controller seems very good so I am not sure why you are going to a crappier system?

(09-16-2015, 02:31 PM)tgg416 Ole Fejer was useing a he351 in his 606 and a Mb G wagen. Because of heavy car he changed to 341
You find info with boostpreasure and rpm in his tread in his Drivetrain tread
Or at : www.ofgear.dk

With just springs holding the vanes closed I am getting 30psi with close to same for backpressure. I just keep trying stiffer springs.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-19-2015, 08:00 PM #8
I must add though his controller is amazing for transmission control. I'm sure he will figure out the CAN stuff sometime. I may actually use it to control a vacuum actuator on that turbo Instead.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-19-2015, 08:00 PM #8

I must add though his controller is amazing for transmission control. I'm sure he will figure out the CAN stuff sometime. I may actually use it to control a vacuum actuator on that turbo Instead.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

atypicalguy
Holset

555
09-20-2015, 09:43 AM #9
No I am not using it. Maybe you need steeds  Controller for the turbo.
This post was last modified: 09-20-2015, 09:44 AM by atypicalguy.
atypicalguy
09-20-2015, 09:43 AM #9

No I am not using it. Maybe you need steeds  Controller for the turbo.

seanyt
is300d He351ve

279
09-21-2015, 05:20 PM #10
I've a he351ve in my Lexus with an 8mm pump and om606.
I've built my own arduino controller for vein control and can pull them all the way back to 3cm or exhaust brake.
Haven't dyno'd the car or been driving it much. But I do know they suffer from high exhaust back pressure. So plan on changing the turbine wheel to a 64x70mm from the original 60x70mm
seanyt
09-21-2015, 05:20 PM #10

I've a he351ve in my Lexus with an 8mm pump and om606.
I've built my own arduino controller for vein control and can pull them all the way back to 3cm or exhaust brake.
Haven't dyno'd the car or been driving it much. But I do know they suffer from high exhaust back pressure. So plan on changing the turbine wheel to a 64x70mm from the original 60x70mm

deviance
HE351VE

88
09-21-2015, 06:42 PM #11
he351 vs hx35?
deviance
09-21-2015, 06:42 PM #11

he351 vs hx35?

seanyt
is300d He351ve

279
09-22-2015, 01:55 AM #12
hx35 maxs at 300-350hp i believe he351ve will go to 400hp and with a turbine wheel swap im hoping for 450hp but still retaining hx35 spool.
seanyt
09-22-2015, 01:55 AM #12

hx35 maxs at 300-350hp i believe he351ve will go to 400hp and with a turbine wheel swap im hoping for 450hp but still retaining hx35 spool.

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-22-2015, 07:03 AM #13
What are you able to get for max boost and back pressure? I am not able to get back pressure higher then boost at this point.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-22-2015, 07:03 AM #13

What are you able to get for max boost and back pressure? I am not able to get back pressure higher then boost at this point.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

deviance
HE351VE

88
09-22-2015, 08:11 AM #14
hx35 or he351 spool better? I speak about geo version not wg.
deviance
09-22-2015, 08:11 AM #14

hx35 or he351 spool better? I speak about geo version not wg.

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-22-2015, 08:40 AM #15
I would say pretty equal. HE has 3psi backpressure at idle with vanes closed so its really ready start moving things but HX is just smaller so it gets going quicker. They are pretty similiar is my experience, though my HX had a billet 40 cold side.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-22-2015, 08:40 AM #15

I would say pretty equal. HE has 3psi backpressure at idle with vanes closed so its really ready start moving things but HX is just smaller so it gets going quicker. They are pretty similiar is my experience, though my HX had a billet 40 cold side.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

deviance
HE351VE

88
09-22-2015, 08:42 AM #16
Thank You TurboTim!

I think HE worth it. How much is there? I can't get that. HX35 about 200euro here.
deviance
09-22-2015, 08:42 AM #16

Thank You TurboTim!

I think HE worth it. How much is there? I can't get that. HX35 about 200euro here.

hents99
GT2256V

157
09-22-2015, 01:05 PM #17
I have HE351VE for sale but shipping is too expensive I guess.

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hents99
09-22-2015, 01:05 PM #17

I have HE351VE for sale but shipping is too expensive I guess.


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www.elbe.ee - MB performance parts.

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-26-2015, 10:43 PM #18
I just put the billet wheel on from my old HX40/35. What a difference! Now I really like my HE351VE!

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-26-2015, 10:43 PM #18

I just put the billet wheel on from my old HX40/35. What a difference! Now I really like my HE351VE!


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
09-26-2015, 11:39 PM #19
Did you have to do machine work to the intake cover or was it direct bolt on?

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
09-26-2015, 11:39 PM #19

Did you have to do machine work to the intake cover or was it direct bolt on?


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

TurboTim
Holset

457
09-27-2015, 07:52 AM #20
Bolted it up. He351ve is same as hx40

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
09-27-2015, 07:52 AM #20

Bolted it up. He351ve is same as hx40


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

TurboTim
Holset

457
10-01-2015, 10:18 PM #21
I should specify the wheel is the same and not the cover...

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
10-01-2015, 10:18 PM #21

I should specify the wheel is the same and not the cover...


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

atypicalguy
Holset

555
10-01-2015, 11:40 PM #22
What you did is not clear to me at all. Sounds like you put an hx40 compressor wheel on an he351ve, but then you say the wheel is the same but the cover is different. So which is it? Or did you change both the wheel and the cover of the compressor housing?
atypicalguy
10-01-2015, 11:40 PM #22

What you did is not clear to me at all. Sounds like you put an hx40 compressor wheel on an he351ve, but then you say the wheel is the same but the cover is different. So which is it? Or did you change both the wheel and the cover of the compressor housing?

TurboTim
Holset

457
10-05-2015, 12:54 PM #23
Correct, wheel size is the same but compressor covers mount differently so not the same but can house the same wheel.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
10-05-2015, 12:54 PM #23

Correct, wheel size is the same but compressor covers mount differently so not the same but can house the same wheel.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

deviance
HE351VE

88
10-08-2015, 04:39 AM #24
So HE351 not worth it with geometry? HX40 easier to fit and not need a controller, right?
deviance
10-08-2015, 04:39 AM #24

So HE351 not worth it with geometry? HX40 easier to fit and not need a controller, right?

TurboTim
Holset

457
10-08-2015, 07:04 AM #25
I'm making progress on mine but just can't get above 30psi but yes if you wanna keep it simple hx40 is way to go though it will have more lag.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
10-08-2015, 07:04 AM #25

I'm making progress on mine but just can't get above 30psi but yes if you wanna keep it simple hx40 is way to go though it will have more lag.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

 
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