Is This a Simpler Alternative to VGT/VNT?
Is This a Simpler Alternative to VGT/VNT?
Has anyone used them? If so, do they really work? Could they be a simpler alternative to VNT/VGT for those of us who cannot make controllers for VNT/VGT?
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/Soun...Valve/3659
That looks interesting.... *subscribing*
No reason why it wouldn't work. Its basically the same concept as a VNT but on a less efficient level.
$500 would buy several VNT turbos though, and a control system is easy to build.
Found this on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KNLKVgg8po
Forced, I agree with you on price and less efficiency, but some of us don't have the know-how and the tools to make a controller. Would you consider making controllers and selling them for a profit. I will be the first to buy one from you. For the same reason (lack of tools and know-how) I bought an EGR kit (for testing purposes) from Brian Carlton at peachparts forum.
Ben
If you don't already own a turbo with a divided turbine housing, then this isn't really cheaper/easier to implement than a vnt/vgt turbo. $500 is an outrageous price for that valve and VNT turbos sized for our cars can be had for cheap.
I'm currently implementing mechanical control for the GT2056V on my 92 300D. There really isnt anything to it...sheet metal, two actuators, and vac/pressure fittings.
If the vane setting is turned down, lessening its effectiveness, a normal wastegate actuator could be used. It would function identically to a normal wastegated turbo and that divider valve but quicker spooling, not as quick as a proper VNT should though.
I am a chemist by training, the learning curve would be no problem and the reason I bought this car was to have a hobby. I have done few things on it such as installing a 1995 glow plug rely (for after glow), changing all the shocks and spring coils... my main problem is lack of fabrication tools.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/has-...t-867.html
Here's my idea for a controller (since we have the same car!)
I'm pretty sure it should work..I have tested the vacuum levels under various driving conditions, but still have yet to put the turbo on the car..one of these days!
I just started working again, which is good because now I'll have money, but also bad because now I can't risk having my car down to install the turbo! Maybe some time this summer.
I encourage other 603 owners to use, build upon, and/or beat me to getting mine up and running.
Hi Awsrock;
I have bought this from Germnay, brand new, don't ask about shipping costs!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...078wt_1166
I am ready to go, let's see who finishes first.
Hi BenE67,
If you're an engineer I'm sure you can come up with something to make a VGT work properly. I was going through it and it doesn't seem like it's anything all that involved, especially since the mental heavy lifting (ie figuring out how to do it and what's involved) has already been done. I suggest a trip to www.volksrods.com and check out what people have been doing with a lot more ingenuity than investment, though they do cut and weld a lot. However, a portable wire feed welder (if you're not working on heavy, thick parts, this is fine) is less than half the 500 dollar cost of the part mentioned above; and it would pay for itself easily, not the least through acquired skill and knowledge. Go to a welding fabrication shop, the kind that build trailers for landscapers all day and stuff like that, and talk to the guys working there; if you really feel welding is some exclusive talent after that, well, what can I say...no offense to anyone but basically I'm just saying that it's amazing what you'll find you're capable of once you stop fabricating excuses and start fabricating items of worth, whatever that is to you.
I like the crew over at Volksrods, regardless of whether that's your style or not it's cool to see what can be done with almost nothing. Frankly there's little to this particular setup besides swapping out a turbo, fabricating a bracket (it might cost a few bucks to have someone at a shop make one for you) and acquiring the already determined actuators, setting it up and dialing it in. Frankly it's nothing all that scary, perfect for getting your feet wet with a real mod actually. I mean some people would say that pulling the running gear out from under their car is scary...it's really not. Like I said just go to any mechanic's shop, there's bound to be at least one goober hanging around, and then you realize he's by definition a professional who makes his living doing stuff like that all day. I'm sure whatever you do as an engineer would scare the bejeebus out of any of us until we were taught the proper way to do it.
In the end, it's your car, and you'll do what you like, of course. If you want simple, easy, bolt on upgrades, well, I suggest a Honda or an SE-R. This car is a little involved, it's an odd duck for sure (70's era 5 cylinder turbodiesel powered RWD tanks aren't made by many manufacturers, and by any now) and there's effectively no aftermarket. Not that it's outside of anyone's realm of expertise or could be, but it's not a 5.0l Mustang for sure. And thank God for that.
I looked at the site further and it's a Chicago area shop, LOL. No kiddin'...I should ask my friends if they know anything about those guys, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the 'neighborhood stories' came out about it, but yeah, total Chicago-style all the way there. How do you think they're building the 350Zs in the banner, but with suckers willing to spend 2010 money on a part that would have been worthwhile in 1982.
My dad sold used cars for awhile between better jobs, and he told me something one day...
"Son, there's an ass for every seat." You don't always want to be that ass, though.
Yeah, welds, why not screws? Screws seize, they don't melt and fail.
Hey folks, I've got some Orgonite shift knobs for the W123, shorten your shifts in under five minutes...only 150 bucks, of course it's worth every penny
(03-15-2010, 08:21 PM)BenE67 Hi Awsrock;
I have bought this from Germnay, brand new, don't ask about shipping costs!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...078wt_1166
I am ready to go, let's see who finishes first.
(03-15-2010, 08:21 PM)BenE67 Hi Awsrock;
I have bought this from Germnay, brand new, don't ask about shipping costs!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...078wt_1166
I am ready to go, let's see who finishes first.
This may help a little for Holset:
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarti...icleid=122
I think you may have more options with Garrett.
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygar...og1of2.pdf
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygar...og2of2.pdf
Has anyone seen this? It may be good way to control a VGT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJEk-yYOHpU