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Cash for clunkers - ForcedInduction - 08-01-2009
What an embarrassment to Americans.
Lets make a program that was tried and loathed by several other countries; Convince uneducated consumers to give up their good running cars, destroy the most valuable part of the car, release more emissions in a minute than the running car would in a decade of normal use, inflate used car market prices, make people buy cheap junk that won't last nearly as long as the "clunker" they traded in, put people further into dept financing a new car to replace the one that was completely paid off, release even MORE toxic emissions making the new clunker, not even consider donating the running cars to people that NEED a car and steal $2,000,000,000 of (already Chinese borrowed) funding from EPA projects that would actually HELP the environment so they can perpetuate this obamination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waj2KrKYTZo
The only consolation I feel from this shameful program is that the ONLY Diesel eligible is the 1993 Dodge 250 Cummins, no Mercedes Diesels will be harmed.
If I ever do buy a car from a dealer, I'll be sure to not support one that participated in this disgusting program.
RE: Cash for clunkers - IsaacDW - 08-01-2009
Well, there's some good motivation for the car manufacturers to focus on long term reliability!
Politicians never cease to amaze and disgust me.
RE: Cash for clunkers - winmutt - 08-05-2009
I dunno, the cars that were affected by this are just as well off the road. If they are properly recycled, the environmental impact is minimal. The fact that the 300(S/C/T)D was not on the list only furthers my opinion of the car
RE: Cash for clunkers - dalek - 08-07-2009
I have to say I am siding with FI this time: what they should have done was pass the buck a bit, as in
o Let people trade in their cars as they were doing now.
o Of those so-called clunkers, get the ones in best shape and make a program for those with lower income to have *them* trade in their truly rusted and unsafe cars for the clunkers from step 1.
o Crush the cars that should have been out of the roads to begin with.
RE: Cash for clunkers - willbhere4u - 08-11-2009
You know it makes more emissions to make a car! than the car will produce in 10 years or 250,000miles so if you crush it before it had gone that far and buy a new one it is worse than if you kept driving you old car!!! Just think abut the emissions it takes to strip out crush melt down you old car the burning plastic and paint. And then it has to be refined and made back in to a new mettle then it has to be formed, stamped, assembled repainted, new plastic molded, the electricity it takes to do all of that! plus shipping the car to be striped and then shipped to the manufacturing plant and back to the dealers??? WTF!!!!
to be a good environmentalist you should just do nothing!!!!
KEEP YOUR CLUNKER and do the environment a solid!!!
Thanks Oboma for wasting my tax money!!! glad I voted for Sarah Palin don't blame me
P.S. National health care killed my grandfather!!! Don't fall for that crap either!!!
Sorry for the rant I"m not trying to offend any body just my .02 $
RE: Cash for clunkers - greasenut - 08-14-2009
I have an 89 wrangler that almost qualifies me to replace it with an H2. It's rated at 11.4 average MPG. It gets about 8 now. My wife and I were looking at new cars and trying to decide what to get when I came across this same type of article. There is nothing wrong with most of the cars that get turned in, yet so many get crunched. It's sad. I'll admit that I'm a bit of a tree hugger, so I could not turn in the Jeep - I only drive her 4 miles a day and the only reason I keep her is because I have not found a 240D that I'm willing to punish with Upstate NY winter salt. That California volvo would be a great candidate to ship to NY and run her through the salt for 10 more years. That car did not want to die. For those that don't understand what they do... they drain the oil and fill the crank case with a silicate, then run them at 2k RPMs until they seize. Junkyards don't want them because they make a lot of money on the engines and filling the yard with burn engines will cause them to loose money.
Cash for Clunkers is classic greenwashing.
RE: Cash for clunkers - ForcedInduction - 09-29-2009
(08-01-2009, 07:14 AM)ForcedInduction The only consolation I feel from this shameful program is that the ONLY Diesel eligible is the 1993 Dodge 250 Cummins, no Mercedes Diesels will be harmed.
Looks like I was wrong. These cars weren't on the list, how did they get accepted?
RE: Cash for clunkers - willbhere4u - 09-29-2009
We just did a land rover free lander v6 70k miles new 17in tires and a full tank of fuel some retard turn in!!! stupid bastard it was worth more than $4500!!!! probably traded it in for a new H2
RE: Cash for clunkers - Kozuka - 10-05-2009
190E 2.6 1990 = 117 Wasted Pieces of Fine German Engineering. I've owned/seen lots of 2.6's they are bulletproof and all that late model cladding. ahh!! I can't think about it, it hurts so much and those parts will never see the light of day. Maybe even a Sportline or LE model.
Makes Me Cry On The Inside, My only hope is that none we're 5-speed. That would be shoot on site in my book.
The Jedi's Should Of Felt That One!!
Alright enough, I'm just going to have to forget about this thread.
RE: Cash for clunkers - kamel - 10-06-2009
The one good thing out of this, the junkyards are now freshly stocked with CLEAN cars with good parts...aside from the engines. To quote a guy in my shop, "I got a cam out of the 2.6. Fucking pain in the ass to clean off all that liquid glass shit." LMAO!
RE: Cash for clunkers - willbhere4u - 10-06-2009
you can buy all of the parts minus the engine block heads and chase at pull and save there is a frame with just the block and heads that is c4c!
every part but the engine and frame are fare game!!!!
RE: Cash for clunkers - ekfinn - 10-11-2009
Cash for Clunkers was pure socialism, plain and simple. It was taking money from a certain group of people (taxpayers) and financing the car purchases of other people. What a load of crap. Yes it may have lofted the sales of vehicles, but now that the program is over and completely defunct of funds, car sales have once again tanked. I do however tip my hat to Ford for maintaining its status of shooing away "Roosevelt's Buzzard"-- in this case, ill-gotten TARP funds under the pressures of the UAW. I will go back to buying "American" when the "American" car companies start to behave a little more... American. Ford is on the right track, but those three letters are keeping it in the woods for the time being.
I love robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Eoin
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of someone elses' money." - Margaret Thatcher
RE: Cash for clunkers - winmutt - 02-03-2010
What a fail : http://jalopnik.com/5462441/morons-clunkerize-rare-gmc-syclone-super-truck
RE: Cash for clunkers - The Toecutter - 05-08-2010
This program was stupid. If the automakers want people to start buying cars again, they should build cars that people want and make the price appropriate to what they are willing to pay. The technology for electric vehicles that do 200+ miles per charge is nearly 15 years old now, and so is the possibility of an 80+ mpg no compromises midsize car that has all the performance and amenities consumers expect from cars, for a competitive price. The automakers are still trying to push high profit margin, high-maintenance products that no one wants to buy anymore, and now that people aren't buying, they cry to big nanny government to bail them out with my money.
Screw the automakers. If they can't accept the market and adapt to it, they should be allowed to fail so that smaller, less centralized companies that ARE willing to respond to consumer demand can take their place. It is not as if american jobs will be saved as a result; the automakers in the U.S. have been outsourcing these jobs to China and Mexico over the last decade; a Toyota is more "made in America" than a Chevrolet these days. It's embarassing.
Also, if it wasn't for certain stringent "safety" regulations that these major Detroit automakers helped lobby into place during the Carter and Reagan years in an effort to kill foreign competition from the likes of Honda and Toyota(an effort which failed; airbags were not part of this effort, but are an example of a stupid regulation of dubious benefit), many of the small startups like Aptera and Tesla Motors would have gone very far by now.
Also, our government is only socialist when it benefits classes of people that offer our politicians something in return(eg. top wealthiest 1%, banks, oil companies, defense companies, ect.). The ordinary American is starting to be taxed like a typical European, but we don't even have Universal Healthcare or free college to show for it... it ends up lining some war tycoon's profits and subsidizing failed industries. Companies like General Electric and Exxon paid no taxes last year. Our tax money also ends up going to "welfare" freeloaders, but those are really a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare and contrary to popular belief, they aren't living large off of that money. There is no reason our government couldn't be run on 1/3 its current budget, but it would entail reducing social spending too.
Blessed are those in the underground economy, for they no longer feed this tyrant we call the Federal Government.