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RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 07-25-2014
Later on this summer/ autum I will make some progress with this experiment. I have been so busy this seson with alot of superpumps and you that follow me on facebook have probably noticed that Im a bit into Black Smoke Racing helping them with their fuel system.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Evenglass - 07-25-2014
(07-25-2014, 07:43 AM)dieselmeken Later on this summer/ autum I will make some progress with this experiment. I have been so busy this seson with alot of superpumps and you that follow me on facebook have probably noticed that Im a bit into Black Smoke Racing helping them with their fuel system.
I'm not too proud to beg! please don't dump this project, I'm counting on you! I can wait until Autumn/Winter just don't forget us and terminate the project please.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Riverstick - 07-25-2014
(07-25-2014, 07:43 AM)dieselmeken Later on this summer/ autum I will make some progress with this experiment. I have been so busy this seson with alot of superpumps and you that follow me on facebook have probably noticed that Im a bit into Black Smoke Racing helping them with their fuel system.
Are we going to see an episode about Dieselmeken with the Blacksmoke boys on Youtube like they did with Pekka Herlevi?
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 07-26-2014
(07-25-2014, 11:38 PM)Riverstick(07-25-2014, 07:43 AM)dieselmeken Later on this summer/ autum I will make some progress with this experiment. I have been so busy this seson with alot of superpumps and you that follow me on facebook have probably noticed that Im a bit into Black Smoke Racing helping them with their fuel system.
Are we going to see an episode about Dieselmeken with the Blacksmoke boys on Youtube like they did with Pekka Herlevi?
That is something I dont know anything about but if they want it as usually Im game on. A video about how To do this MW 8mm is To be done and also a video about the superstroker M pump same as BSR have. I have made new contacts regarding the grinding of the camshaft.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - rcmarti - 08-08-2014
Goran
One last question, did you modify the helix groove on the new plungers or used them as they came?
Thanks,
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 08-08-2014
I use them as they are. Max 16 mm rack and it works ok. I now have all parts To go ahed and build up a few of these 8 mm mw pumps.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 08-14-2014
I am now at pump #2, Have done some changes to the better I think, Pump will go up in testbench in 1 or 2 weeks, remember, this is a side project.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Simpler=Better - 08-14-2014
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - SurfRodder - 08-14-2014
it's been a (long) while since I've been on here...glad to see you are finally modding these pumps, Göran. I look forward to the progress, even though I already have an MW modified by Diesel Power Systems (or whatever their new name is now...a subsidiary of someone else now). Anyway, I appreciate all the work your doing for this community! keep it up.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Evenglass - 08-14-2014
That thing looks sexy.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - yankneck696 - 08-15-2014
And, they say that size doesn't matter.....
Ed
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - sassparilla_kid - 08-19-2014
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm pretty
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 09-14-2014
(08-14-2014, 12:51 AM)dieselmeken I am now at pump #2, Have done some changes to the better I think, Pump will go up in testbench in 1 or 2 weeks, remember, this is a side project.
This is exactly what I am looking for. Not sure my freshly rebuilt transmission will handle it but only one way to find out.
Are all MW pumps identical? I have an 85 TDt that I drive daily, and an older model parts car. Just wondering if I could send the pump from the old car and bolt it on to the new one after rebuild.
Thanks
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - sassparilla_kid - 09-14-2014
I think later model pumps might have some sort electric rack position sensor or something but I'm not entirely sure
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Simpler=Better - 09-14-2014
(09-14-2014, 02:18 PM)sassparilla_kid I think later model pumps might have some sort electric rack position sensor or something but I'm not entirely sure
The newer 617MW pumps have a rack position sensor-it just reads out. Nothing to do with actual fuel delivery
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - raysorenson - 09-14-2014
The '85 pumps have a hole for the timing checker tools. You're not stuck with the drip method.
123 pump list
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/disc_2/program/Engine/617/07_1-001.pdf
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 09-16-2014
Ok so do I rebuild the 85 one or send the old one to sweden and keep the 85 just in case? I dont know much about setting one up so i dpnt know if im going to be using "timing checker tools".
Wonder what the car is doing with that rack sensor info...
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - raysorenson - 09-16-2014
Rack sensor is used as an input for the egr computer.
When you install a pump, you have to time it. The '85 pump will be easier to time.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 09-16-2014
(09-16-2014, 05:27 AM)raysorenson Rack sensor is used as an input for the egr computer.
When you install a pump, you have to time it. The '85 pump will be easier to time.
Ok thanks. I guess I can use that sensor as an input for a VGT turbo.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - raysorenson - 09-16-2014
It's not that easy. The sensor isn't a potentiometer. I don't how it works and I haven't found any descriptive documentation about it. This has been discussed in past threads.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 09-16-2014
Ok Ill search for it. But the controller yankneck696 is working on will take just about any kind of signal- pwm or whatever. (If its the same guy from 4btswaps(
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - yankneck696 - 09-17-2014
I do not think what I am working on will help with the rack sensor. Check out Ole Fejer's controller (Not sure of the spelling). If I remember right, the rack sensor is not at all a resiistive element. You will see his controller on this forum. It also controls some of the transmissions.
And, yes, I use the same screenname on all forums....
Ed
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-Boost-Control-of-the-Holset-VNT-HE351VE
Ed
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-Boost-Control-of-the-Holset-VNT-HE351VE
Ed
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - baldur - 09-17-2014
I made a controller to drive an electronic M pump. There the rack position sensor is a variable inductance deal with a pair of coils. My experiments showed that one coil is fixed inductance and I believe it is just a reference for temperature compensation while the other coil has a shunt on its core that varies the inductance.
I built a circuit to feed a square wave to the coils and measure the phase shift to get position feedback. I'm using a microcontroller but it could easily be done with op-amps to produce a PWM or frequency signal.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 09-18-2014
(09-17-2014, 08:31 AM)baldur I made a controller to drive an electronic M pump. There the rack position sensor is a variable inductance deal with a pair of coils. My experiments showed that one coil is fixed inductance and I believe it is just a reference for temperature compensation while the other coil has a shunt on its core that varies the inductance.
I built a circuit to feed a square wave to the coils and measure the phase shift to get position feedback. I'm using a microcontroller but it could easily be done with op-amps to produce a PWM or frequency signal.
This is very interesting. I could use it for throttle position but it may be simpler to just fit a potentiometer, as dieselmeken says he uses the earlier MW pump for 8mm element rebuild so far. Does anyone have a part number for a stock mercedes TPS that would work on a w123 diesel? Thanks.
PS Baldur - Ole Fejer wants to contact you about that circuit. It is his name with no spaces at g mail
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Bondobay - 12-31-2014
I've been keeping one eye in this thread but it's been pretty inactive for a couple months.
What, if anything has come of this?
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 01-01-2015
Prob easier to just use a tps and forget the pump signal, as pump needs mods anyway
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - kestreltom - 01-02-2015
(09-18-2014, 07:42 AM)atypicalguy ...Does anyone have a part number for a stock mercedes TPS that would work on a w123 diesel? Thanks.
I have a tps part number for you "atypicalguy"... try A 011 542 87 17 - from a w210 gas car. Here are a few photos:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PXSyEd8TUG8/VKayf150UMI/AAAAAAAAIVs/Lf9LJPkiX4s/w316-h421-no/20150102_075954.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8cfnyPMmwkw/VKayeZo3fgI/AAAAAAAAIVg/_49LHPNDNws/w316-h421-no/20150102_075942.jpg
good luck!
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 01-02-2015
Thanks. Still have not sourced the cummins he200vg. They only sell them in china. I have a friend who travels there so it might still happen.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 01-02-2015
(01-02-2015, 10:10 AM)kestreltom(09-18-2014, 07:42 AM)atypicalguy ...Does anyone have a part number for a stock mercedes TPS that would work on a w123 diesel? Thanks.
I have a tps part number for you "atypicalguy"... try A 011 542 87 17 - from a w210 gas car. Here are a few photos:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PXSyEd8TUG8/VKayf150UMI/AAAAAAAAIVs/Lf9LJPkiX4s/w316-h421-no/20150102_075954.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8cfnyPMmwkw/VKayeZo3fgI/AAAAAAAAIVg/_49LHPNDNws/w316-h421-no/20150102_075942.jpg
good luck!
Thanks for that info.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 01-28-2015
Alas no MW news from abroad!
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Evenglass - 03-16-2015
Any word on this Goran?
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
He is taking mw cores last I checked.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - turbojeep - 03-16-2015
Cores for testing purposes? Or cores for resale?
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
Cores to rebuild into superpumps for customers
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - mike-81-240d - 03-16-2015
I talked with him on Facebook the other day, he's ready. Send your pumps his way. I'm about a month until I can get mine done. (Money is tighter than usual currently)
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 03-19-2015
Its up and running, currently I have pumps works OK, Im shipping 1 to Canada soon and 1 to USA. However there is alot moore work with those MW than the M-serie pumps.
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - turbojeep - 03-19-2015
This is great news! Does the extra work translate into more $$, or are they priced about the same as the M Pumps?
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 03-20-2015
I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - dieselmeken - 03-20-2015
I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - MTUPower - 03-21-2015
who has one of his pumps and what are the results? what other mods are done to that engine in addition? thx!
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - mytmousemalibu - 03-22-2015
(03-20-2015, 02:49 AM)dieselmeken I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
Göran, when you get a free minute, I sent you an Email from your email link on this site with some pump questions for you.
Your PM box is full
I unfortunately don't have a facebook account
so that was my best option!
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 04-02-2015
(03-20-2015, 02:49 AM)dieselmeken I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
I am getting a quote of $400 USD from South Dakota to Sweden on an MW pump. It sounds a bit high. Anyone else done this? What company and what did you pay?
Thanks,
Karl
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - Duncansport - 04-03-2015
(04-02-2015, 05:01 PM)atypicalguy(03-20-2015, 02:49 AM)dieselmeken I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
I am getting a quote of $400 USD from South Dakota to Sweden on an MW pump. It sounds a bit high. Anyone else done this? What company and what did you pay?
Thanks,
Karl
Too much. i shipped with usps and it was $90 from Boston
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - atypicalguy - 04-03-2015
(04-03-2015, 12:42 PM)DuncansportThanks; that's what I thought. led-panzer shipped his for $90 from Ohio also, so that's the ticket apparently.(04-02-2015, 05:01 PM)atypicalguy(03-20-2015, 02:49 AM)dieselmeken I try and keep it at the same price as M-pumps, 1000 euro incl tax, For US customers -20% tax + shipping & corepump
Corepump is around 100 euro
Shipping, around 120-140 euro to USA
I am getting a quote of $400 USD from South Dakota to Sweden on an MW pump. It sounds a bit high. Anyone else done this? What company and what did you pay?
Thanks,
Karl
Too much. i shipped with usps and it was $90 from Boston
RE: OM617 MW pump experiment - rcmarti - 04-10-2015
(03-19-2015, 11:35 AM)dieselmeken Its up and running, currently I have pumps works OK, Im shipping 1 to Canada soon and 1 to USA. However there is alot moore work with those MW than the M-serie pumps.Goran, did you end up doing much more than what you posted before? What was the issue with the
engine shutting off when hot?
thanks