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RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 01-13-2014
Valves, glows, and battery for starter revs
RE: It's cold outside - _siim_ - 01-13-2014
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RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-13-2014
Lol. I'll get to your level.
RE: It's cold outside - MFSuper90 - 01-13-2014
Slim, it got to -50c in some parts of our state a week ago. But that was including windchill
But it is colder than a witches tit across the pond!
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-13-2014
Well a testament to the basics. Checked the glow plugs on 85. 3 of 5 bad go figure. I got the 75 going with some finess of the pedal.
Glow plugs on order. Duh.
Bigger turbo, Dieselmeken pump, w115 Mani, 4speed, boost pyrometer. And I don't check glow plugs. By the way....I'm a dumbass.
Oh and I've never had a speedometer or emergency brake. A wrench is bridging a gap of rust hole to keep seat from falling through floor. Maybe I should touch some basic maintenance before I try and install an intercooler.
RE: It's cold outside - MFSuper90 - 01-13-2014
Nah, make it fast. Who cares what it looks like!
RE: It's cold outside - sassparilla_kid - 01-15-2014
A grinder, some flat stock, a welder, and a little Por 15 on that rust hole should be good enough
RE: It's cold outside - RonB - 01-15-2014
(01-15-2014, 03:56 PM)sassparilla_kid A grinder, some flat stock, a welder, and a little Por 15 on that rust hole should be good enough
really? i thought it was Finns used the weather to freeze things to get them hard.
RE: It's cold outside - JB3 - 01-16-2014
Lol
Those finns are nuts. If I'm running around naked in the snow, its direct to an operating hot tub.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
I'm the latest victim of the freeze. I believe my starter motor is frozen solid. Need to find me a blow torch.
RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 01-23-2014
(01-23-2014, 03:03 PM)larsalan I'm the latest victim of the freeze. I believe my starter motor is frozen solid. Need to find me a blow torch.
If you don't care about it a hammer does the yob too.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-23-2014
How's your car doing otherwise? I did the valves and updated all my glow plugs and I'm doing good again. -3 when I started this morning.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
Not sure the exact causes of the problem.
Starter was really slow cranking. Then not cranking at all. Tried to jump batteries of a pickup truck. Acting kinda funny.
Started a small campfire under the starter/downpipe area to warm it up. Turned the key and got about 1/4 second crank from the starter then it quit.
Tried the hammer thing, didn't help at all.
I'll hook it up to the prius when the old lady comes back and see if that helps.
RE: It's cold outside - JB3 - 01-23-2014
what voltage is the battery showing?
id try taking that inside and starting with a warm battery too
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
voltage was like 13v. I had 2 group49 batteries connected. weird stuff. I turned the motor by hand and it went fine. I think that starter is flakey.
Yesterday I heated one battery up in a hot bathtub, that didn't work either.
Prius should be here within the hour and we'll see if that does it.
She maybe leaving me alone here for the weekend so I hope I can at least drive to the store.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-23-2014
x2 warm battery. i bought a jumper unit for reassurance when i leave the home. 1500 peak amp. That thing is a beast. Warm battery, block warmer overnight, plus that jumper box and i got enough amps to blow a motor up.
I found if my car didn't start once it liked to stay not starting, sort of a failure leads to failure scenario. That jumper unit tells the car to stop being a b!tch and start up.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
exactly, if you don't keep it going and she turns cold she stays cold. The prius ought to do it. That thing could jump start a locomotive.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
no luck, too cold. Start motor is frozen.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-23-2014
Weird
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-23-2014
Maybe it's a neutral saftey switch acting up. The switch in this car is bypassed in some way that it can crank no matter what gear is selected.
I was getting some weak cranking on full batteries and a full prius attached.
Then, started back to no cranking, just a solenoid click.
I really think the starter motor needs heated up.
I also am trying to think up another way to crank the motor up to speed.
Get an air ratchet onto the power steering pully. Not high hopes for that plan though.
Probably is not the saftey switch. I had jumped 12v+ to the starter terminal and nothing. That starter must be fucked up. I have a spare that didn't want to turn with 12v+ on the post and 12v- on the mounting bracket. Kind of a no go on replacing it.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-23-2014
Just watched the weather. 9 degrees in Texas lol. Lars we are gonna get beat up in the next 4 days. -40 type stuff again
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-24-2014
Wake me up in a month. There's ice on the inside of my front door.
RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 01-24-2014
(01-23-2014, 09:00 PM)larsalan Maybe it's a neutral saftey switch acting up. The switch in this car is bypassed in some way that it can crank no matter what gear is selected.
I was getting some weak cranking on full batteries and a full prius attached.
Then, started back to no cranking, just a solenoid click.
I really think the starter motor needs heated up.
I also am trying to think up another way to crank the motor up to speed.
Get an air ratchet onto the power steering pully. Not high hopes for that plan though.
Probably is not the saftey switch. I had jumped 12v+ to the starter terminal and nothing. That starter must be fucked up. I have a spare that didn't want to turn with 12v+ on the post and 12v- on the mounting bracket. Kind of a no go on replacing it.
Sounds like a crappy connection. I'm guessing they salt there-can you pull the starter wires and engine ground strap to clean them up?
Also, you really like the Prius as a mobile XXL jumper box don't you?
RE: It's cold outside - sassparilla_kid - 01-24-2014
Yeah my car has trouble starting when it's colder than like 70 outside, time for valves and glowplugs
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-24-2014
I feel like I took over this whole thread
.I just got a 'new' negative post clamp and checked that ground strap for good conductivity. Sanded down all the connections by the battery.
Try to crank a bit. The starter will engage but as soon as a piston starts to compress there's not enough power to keep turning.
Maybe a combo of 5 and 6 yr old batteries, a worn starter motor and sub zero temps.
RE: It's cold outside - waz - 01-24-2014
So you don't feel too bad about taking over the thread...
It was 1f or -17c this morning. I might be getting used to that, it didn't seem that bad.
Today's problem wasn't starting. It was trying to move. The ice and snow melted enough to get the brakes wet on the front of the car. This morning, they were frozen. Didn't take much to break them free but, that was a new one for me.
RE: It's cold outside - JB3 - 01-24-2014
(01-24-2014, 12:04 PM)larsalan I feel like I took over this whole thread
I just got a 'new' negative post clamp and checked that ground strap for good conductivity. Sanded down all the connections by the battery.
Try to crank a bit. The starter will engage but as soon as a piston starts to compress there's not enough power to keep turning.
Maybe a combo of 5 and 6 yr old batteries, a worn starter motor and sub zero temps.
Im still going with the battery. The starters on these things are monsters, im much more likely to assume an old battery being impacted by cold than the starter, especially if the battery is 5-6 years old now.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-24-2014
I brought the 2 batteries inside and put them in the bathtub to warm up. Popped the lids and lots of water had evaporated. Particularly from one cell where I have accidentally poked a hole in the cover with a screwdriver.
Topped off the fluid and put them both on a tender indoors.
The saga continues.
RE: It's cold outside - MFSuper90 - 01-26-2014
Don't worry, my car wouldn't start today either. About 5*f and a -15 windchill.
I plugged it in, and I'll retry tomorrow. It would've started if it was plugged in, so if it doesn't start now, I'll know something else is the problem
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-29-2014
Figured out my problem. After spending $115 on a battery. I had to remove the starter. I wouldn't wish that chore on my worst enemy. Opened that motor up and cleaned out 30yrs of corrosion and gunk.
Back on the block, wired up. Fired right up.
RE: It's cold outside - CRD4x4 - 01-29-2014
This reminds me of the first time a changed a starter!
My '81 300TD starter went bad during a particularly cold winter in upstate NY.
The ambient temp outside was -22F (without windchill) and my bright idea of using a redi heater to stay warmish only caused the snow on the car to melt, puddle, then freeze my back to the ground. I needed help out.
My tdi says its 6F but it feels colder!
Good job larsalan! Your cars been waiting 30yrs to take that shit! When its gotta go...
...plop!(01-29-2014, 05:04 PM)larsalan Figured out my problem. After spending $115 on a battery. I had to remove the starter. I wouldn't wish that chore on my worst enemy. Opened that motor up and cleaned out 30yrs of corrosion and gunk.
Back on the block, wired up. Fired right up.
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-30-2014
I fell over about 15-20 times on a bunch of ice that was formed around the perimeter of the car. Walking around trying to find misplaced tools. Taking breaks every 45min to thaw my hands indoors. Now my hand, forearms, and face are dyed black.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-30-2014
"A labor of love. I wish my starter would crap out so I would have the excuse to lay on ice and cover myself in thick black oil. A benefit to working cold is when the wrench slips and you bust a knuckle, hands to numb to feel it. There's also the gratifying feeling when you walk in the house after doing a 2 hour job that got stretched to 6 and look at a lazy friend, family, loved one and knowing you were more productive. While they were wrapped up in blankets, drinking hot cocoa, watching Maury, maybe after a hot relaxing bath you were working! There's value in that."
-no one ever
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 01-30-2014
I was following this method with a 2ft extension and a u-joint to remove the top bolt on that starter. Using one hand to keep the u-joint/socket from twerking out of the bolt then my other hand and neck/head to try and turn the driver. My spine is fucking killing. That bolt was fucking STUCK.
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM617StarterMotor
RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 07:44 AM)lgreeley83 "A labor of love. I wish my starter would crap out so I would have the excuse to lay on ice and cover myself in thick black oil. A benefit to working cold is when the wrench slips and you bust a knuckle, hands to numb to feel it. There's also the gratifying feeling when you walk in the house after doing a 2 hour job that got stretched to 6 and look at a lazy friend, family, loved one and knowing you were more productive. While they were wrapped up in blankets, drinking hot cocoa, watching Maury, maybe after a hot relaxing bath you were working! There's value in that."
-no one ever
It's not their fault but you can't help feel pissed like WTF was I the one outside freezing...oh yeah I didn't want to pay a shop....
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 01-30-2014
Lol I keep trying to get my wife to learn so she can work on the car for me. No luck there.
I'm still driving, busted my knuckles a few weeks ago doing valves andnglow plugs also the manual glow controller. I was driving at -15 a few days ago. Plugs and everything else about 100$ or so. Hate to think what paying someone would cost.
I may be in need of cleaning out my starter too. If that oil is too cold sometimes it acts weird. Hopefully I can wait for warmth.
Lars congratulations on a win by the way.
RE: It's cold outside - CRD4x4 - 01-30-2014
I wasn't aware of that method of removal back in the day so I cut about an inch off a 10mm Allen key and put the piece into a 10mm offset ratcheting wrench. It was still a bitch but it worked!
(01-30-2014, 07:56 AM)larsalan I was following this method with a 2ft extension and a u-joint to remove the top bolt on that starter. Using one hand to keep the u-joint/socket from twerking out of the bolt then my other hand and neck/head to try and turn the driver.
RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 09:29 AM)lgreeley83 Lars congratulations on a win by the way.
I think this is relevant (never forget the IP struggle of 2013):
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
You only truly understand the first time you pull a pump.
RE: It's cold outside - MFSuper90 - 01-30-2014
I don't even what to know what my starter would be like to get off.. My intercooler covers EVERYTHING
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 02-26-2014
0 degree today, -11 tomorrow. Heat went out in car. Rust holes in floor blowing cold air at me. 40minute drive to school. Hating life. #whininglikebaby
RE: It's cold outside - Simpler=Better - 02-26-2014
(02-26-2014, 09:40 AM)lgreeley83 0 degree today, -11 tomorrow. Heat went out in car. Rust holes in floor blowing cold air at me. 40minute drive to school. Hating life. #whininglikebaby
Plastic corrugated politician signs. Call the local joeschmo he will give you 50 for free. If you want a big sheet call a sign shop or any place that advertises packaging design.
$20 craptastic heated seat cover that runs from the cig plug. Yeah it might set the car on fire, but you'll be warm.
RE: It's cold outside - JB3 - 02-26-2014
(02-26-2014, 09:40 AM)lgreeley83 0 degree today, -11 tomorrow. Heat went out in car. Rust holes in floor blowing cold air at me. 40minute drive to school. Hating life. #whininglikebaby
I suggest until you work out the heating issue on a warmer day, that you switch to a 100% bean diet for breakfast, and heat the car with methane. I suggest also nose plugs
RE: It's cold outside - DeliveryValve - 02-26-2014
(02-26-2014, 02:32 PM)JB3(02-26-2014, 09:40 AM)lgreeley83 0 degree today, -11 tomorrow. Heat went out in car. Rust holes in floor blowing cold air at me. 40minute drive to school. Hating life. #whininglikebaby
I suggest until you work out the heating issue on a warmer day, that you switch to a 100% bean diet for breakfast, and heat the car with methane. I suggest also nose plugs
I got a good crockpot recipe for raw pinto beans. Before you go to sleep, do up the crock pot and then you can have Huevos Rancheros for breakfast.
RE: It's cold outside - MFSuper90 - 02-26-2014
(02-26-2014, 09:40 AM)lgreeley83 40minute drive to school. Hating life. #whininglikebaby
Makes me glad Im living on campus, I just walk 600ft to the school building
RE: It's cold outside - sassparilla_kid - 02-26-2014
It's freezing here today, it's like 60 and there's a good bit of precipitation. Good thing I'm just chillin in the shop at work welding up some new arms for one of the sprayers
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 02-26-2014
You guys are too funny :-p I got to put a list together for all the crap that needs to be dome to my cars. It just keeps getting worse.
RE: It's cold outside - JB3 - 02-26-2014
(02-26-2014, 04:43 PM)lgreeley83 You guys are too funny :-p I got to put a list together for all the crap that needs to be dome to my cars. It just keeps getting worse.
take one little bite at a time. Dont look at the whole 15 foot wide sandwich of repairs, cause it can't all be eaten at once. Thats what gets overwhelming. Sooner or later the list gets so overwhelming that the attitude then is "fuck this".
To avoid that I schedule groups of small repairs at a time, occasional big repairs, but always little incremental improvements, and ultimately the list starts to shrink
RE: It's cold outside - larsalan - 02-26-2014
No heat in a w123 is how I made it here to CHI like 5wk ago. Cold as anything for 5hr drive wrapped up in blankets. Stop every 1.5hr to try and heat up on coffee. Had to get off the expressway near CHI. My mind was going too slow to be safe(ish) in 70+mph traffic.
Long ago I had put a propane tank top heater shotgun in an old escort I used to drive. Very quick and dirty 'fix'.
RE: It's cold outside - Tito - 03-09-2014
Today it was 21 degrees Celsius here. I'm just sitting in my garden drinking some beers with a clear blue sky. Looks like summer here. Average on this day is 4 degrees and last year it was snowy. And it's Sunday. It couldn't be any more perfect.
RE: It's cold outside - lgreeley83 - 03-09-2014
Drill weekend :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgSeiO1QdME&feature=youtube_gdata_player