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New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 10-21-2011
Those new turbos are soon awailable to all tuners
Those are new Low Inertial Bearing Design and almost all turbos are billet compressor wheel.
There is model almos everybody
example 47mm compressor and 49,5mm turbine model R474-3
Over 300hp model is R545-2 with 54mm compressor and 59mm turbine wheel.
Bigger power goal is R61-MAGNUM with 61mm compressor and 68mm turbine.
There is also little sister on that with 64,5mm turbine wheel.
If need big power here is turbo for that.
R6771-1 with 67mm cast compressor and 71mm turbine wheel is my choice for season 2012.
![[Image: MPR545_3.jpg]](http://www.hevosvoima.com/shop/images/Tuotekuvat/MPR545_3.jpg)
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Greazzer - 10-21-2011
What application for a W123 chassis, OM 617.952 engine found in our beloved 300D Mercedes?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - majesty78 - 10-22-2011
(10-21-2011, 07:36 PM)jeemu Those new turbos are soon awailable to all tuners
Those are new Low Inertial Bearing Design and almost all turbos are billet compressor wheel.
There is model almos everybody
example 47mm compressor and 49,5mm turbine model R474-3
Over 300hp model is R545-2 with 54mm compressor and 59mm turbine wheel.
Bigger power goal is R61-MAGNUM with 61mm compressor and 68mm turbine.
There is also little sister on that with 64,5mm turbine wheel.
If need big power here is turbo for that.
R6771-1 with 67mm cast compressor and 71mm turbine wheel is my choice for season 2012.
Jeemu, can you tell inducer and exducer diameter please?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - winmutt - 10-22-2011
http://www.hevosvoima.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=139&language=en
Pricey.
Catalog http://www.hevosvoima.com/foorumi/files/mp/MasterpowerPerformanceKatalogi.pdf
Is the low inertia bearing ceramic?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - willbhere4u - 10-22-2011
That is some beautiful machine work on that impeller!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 10-22-2011
(10-22-2011, 10:29 AM)winmutt http://www.hevosvoima.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=139&language=enPricey? Good turbos cost
Pricey.
Catalog http://www.hevosvoima.com/foorumi/files/mp/MasterpowerPerformanceKatalogi.pdf
Is the low inertia bearing ceramic?
and here prices include 23% sales tax.You can also bought those in USA, maybe price is better for you.
Ceramic bearings? No.
(10-22-2011, 12:42 AM)majesty78Hi. You can find all details on that catalog what winmut has posted..(10-21-2011, 07:36 PM)jeemu Those new turbos are soon awailable to all tuners
Those are new Low Inertial Bearing Design and almost all turbos are billet compressor wheel.
There is model almos everybody
example 47mm compressor and 49,5mm turbine model R474-3
Over 300hp model is R545-2 with 54mm compressor and 59mm turbine wheel.
Bigger power goal is R61-MAGNUM with 61mm compressor and 68mm turbine.
There is also little sister on that with 64,5mm turbine wheel.
If need big power here is turbo for that.
R6771-1 with 67mm cast compressor and 71mm turbine wheel is my choice for season 2012.
Jeemu, can you tell inducer and exducer diameter please?
Here you can found better size compressor maps
http://www.hevosvoima.com/foorumi/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=160
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - majesty78 - 10-23-2011
I dont find them to pricey, compared to Garrett they are quite cheapo....
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 12-01-2011
I asked Jeemu to write this as it seems my username (antonmies) is locked out from writing anything.
Would there be any interest among you to purchase, let's say the R545-4 with internal WG for 850USD shipped from Finland? Currently there is no Master Power dealership in the USA and I find it a shame that US folks would have to be without these great turbos
I'm considering some different alternatives of how to sell these, one would be an exclusive webshop with PayPal and the other through eBay
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - iheartboost - 12-01-2011
yea price isent bad compared to garrets. but def more than a holset.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 12-01-2011
About Holsets. Do they come with low inertial bearing system, billet c/wheel (this might be, dunno US market), _proper_ compressor maps (not like )this,
large selection of turbine housing options or latest turbine wheel design? Back here they advertise some models with "High-Flow" turbines, Master Power doesn't need to as it's a standard
I'm not saying Holsets don't work or are bad turbos as there has been many success stories with them, but Master Power MPR `s are now technically more advanced and that's why they cost more.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - majesty78 - 12-01-2011
So 850USD shipped to US....that's €622,-
How much of these 850$ is the shipping?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 12-01-2011
Shipping included is about $100. This is introductory price for US market and without local 23% sales tax and is subject to import duties and taxes, if applicable. European customers would be paying some 800€ incl 23% sales tax / VAT and shipping. VAT sucks...
for further info, contact anton (at) hevosvoima.com
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - majesty78 - 12-01-2011
As I am in progress founding my own turbo shop/ workshop, I could become MP dealer for Austria *g*
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - iheartboost - 12-01-2011
(12-01-2011, 05:40 PM)jeemu About Holsets. Do they come with low inertial bearing system, billet c/wheel (this might be, dunno US market), _proper_ compressor maps (not like )this,
large selection of turbine housing options or latest turbine wheel design? Back here they advertise some models with "High-Flow" turbines, Master Power doesn't need to as it's a standard
I'm not saying Holsets don't work or are bad turbos as there has been many success stories with them, but Master Power MPR `s are now technically more advanced and that's why they cost more.
I agree. they are kind of old technology. still good stuff but older. and i wasent implying that the MP turbos are bad value just they are more expensive than the holsets. and clearly with good reason.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Captain America - 12-01-2011
I think antonmies should NOT be banned
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 12-02-2011
(12-01-2011, 11:46 PM)Captain America I think antonmies should NOT be bannedI agree
(12-01-2011, 06:03 PM)majesty78 As I am in progress founding my own turbo shop/ workshop, I could become MP dealer for Austria *g*That is nice. Hope all go well
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - E300TSC - 12-02-2011
Says he is "unregistered". Don't know what that means but he's not banned.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-04-2011
Back in business! Thank you winmutt!
Anyway, I'm currently updating my webshop for foreign orders outside EU, also considering eBay as I previously stated. It's quite expensive though: roughly 15% is 'lost' to eBay fees and PayPal . I will keep you posted.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Captain America - 12-05-2011
(12-04-2011, 11:17 AM)antonmies Back in business! Thank you winmutt!
Anyway, I'm currently updating my webshop for foreign orders outside EU, also considering eBay as I previously stated. It's quite expensive though: roughly 15% is 'lost' to eBay fees and PayPal . I will keep you posted.
Yay!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - iheartboost - 12-05-2011
Yea paypal and ebay fees blow but it would pretty easily make these turbos avaliable to alot of people.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - MTUPower - 12-05-2011
(10-21-2011, 09:49 PM)Greazzer What application for a W123 chassis, OM 617.952 engine found in our beloved 300D Mercedes?Yes, please let's hear the answer to this one!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-06-2011
(12-05-2011, 08:38 PM)MTUPower(10-21-2011, 09:49 PM)Greazzer What application for a W123 chassis, OM 617.952 engine found in our beloved 300D Mercedes?Yes, please let's hear the answer to this one!
That pretty much depends of the use and hp target. If a daily driver with good low end torque and +200hp R4449-2 could be used and if you want more hp etc. you could use the R545-2 or R545-4 for example. Also R444-2 (not yet in import program) could be used if the power target would be less than 200hp.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - kmaser - 12-06-2011
I have an om617a with A/W intercooler, MW pump with Tomnik's 6.5mm elements in a mercedes G wagen, I am looking more for low end torque than all out HP would you recommend R4449-2 or the R444-2 as a better choice?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-08-2011
(12-06-2011, 09:18 PM)kmaser I have an om617a with A/W intercooler, MW pump with Tomnik's 6.5mm elements in a mercedes G wagen, I am looking more for low end torque than all out HP would you recommend R4449-2 or the R444-2 as a better choice?
R444-2 would be my choice. Altough, the R4449-2 wouldn't make a bad low end either I think.
BTW, added a couple to the next order. Already had to make another order as the first batch, that hasn't yet even arrived, ran out of some key models.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 12-15-2011
Those are soon here
cant wait at i can test fit one of these at my 605 RE: New Master Power R series turbo - kmaser - 12-18-2011
What is the boost limit with the R444-2, does it come with a T3 flange or do I need to adapt it and how much shipped approx.?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-18-2011
Don't have the comp map yet for that one, but an educated guess would be some 2,5bar peak
It's with T25 flange. R4449's are with T3, but no internal WG yet
Haven't yet made the USD price sheet for exporting, but with quick calculation I would say somewhere around USD850 +-$50 shipped to Canada. This is a rough estimate!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Greazzer - 12-19-2011
Hey Antonmies,
I am getting an M pump modified by Goran -- eventually I hope ! -- but I think it is fair to say either standard MW pump or Goran's M pump magic.
This is a dailey driver or WILL BE -- the Phoenix Project. The front end is being pulled out today.
So, what turbo would work for a dailey driver ???????????
Thanks,
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-19-2011
R4449-2, R474-3 or even R545-2 or 4 depending of wanted power output. But if the thing is the best low end and mid range, you should go with either 4449 or 474.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Greazzer - 12-19-2011
Probably lower end since I am not looking for a car that will go a zillion miles an hour. I am looking for a car that will get up and go half a zillion miles an hour FAST. I cruise no faster than 75 mph unless I am headed West, and 80 mph is the max. So, what will get my car up and booging super fast --
If this helps, my car will be a manual -- not automatic.
The revered and esteemed W123 application.
The 4449-2 OR 474-3 ?
What is pricing ? Paying by PayPal? Forum discounts ?
Thanks !!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-22-2011
R4449-2 would be better choice for your specs.
I made some pricing today and it would be 890USD shipped incl. Finnish brokerage fees. Doesn't include any import duties or taxes.
Shipping part is 80EUR plus brokerage 20EUR.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Greazzer - 12-22-2011
So, $890 USD and another $$ for import duties and taxes ? What is the grand total in USD ?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 12-23-2011
Don't know the US customs duties or taxes. But if it's even close as back here, the duty will be 2-3% and tax would be the state sales tax for product+shipping+duties. But this is merely a guess.
I'm currently including shipping in the actual retail prices, but I think I have to change that at some point in the future.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - kmaser - 12-23-2011
I will most likely try the r444-2 so please let me know when it's available.
(12-18-2011, 04:05 PM)antonmies Don't have the comp map yet for that one, but an educated guess would be some 2,5bar peak
It's with T25 flange. R4449's are with T3, but no internal WG yet
Haven't yet made the USD price sheet for exporting, but with quick calculation I would say somewhere around USD850 +-$50 shipped to Canada. This is a rough estimate!
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-09-2012
The babies came in today. They are so awesome!
Here is R6164-5
![[Image: MPR6164-5.jpg]](http://www.hevosvoima.com/shop/images/Tuotekuvat/MPR6164-5.jpg)
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 01-09-2012
Aa today i got hands on those
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - kmaser - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 04:19 PM)antonmies The babies came in today. They are so awesome!
Here is R6164-5
RE: New Master Power R series turbo
I will most likely try the r444-2 so please let me know when it's available.
(12-18-2011 04:05 PM)antonmies Wrote:
Don't have the comp map yet for that one, but an educated guess would be some 2,5bar peak
It's with T25 flange. R4449's are with T3, but no internal WG yet
Haven't yet made the USD price sheet for exporting, but with quick calculation I would say somewhere around USD850 +-$50 shipped to Canada. This is a rough estimate!
So does that mean this is available ??
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-10-2012
(01-09-2012, 10:39 PM)kmaserNot yet, unfortunately I didn't take the R444-2 with the first batch(01-09-2012, 04:19 PM)antonmies The babies came in today. They are so awesome!
Here is R6164-5
RE: New Master Power R series turbo
I will most likely try the r444-2 so please let me know when it's available.
(12-18-2011 04:05 PM)antonmies Wrote:
Don't have the comp map yet for that one, but an educated guess would be some 2,5bar peak
It's with T25 flange. R4449's are with T3, but no internal WG yet
Haven't yet made the USD price sheet for exporting, but with quick calculation I would say somewhere around USD850 +-$50 shipped to Canada. This is a rough estimate!
So does that mean this is available ??
I'll inform when I'll get the second order in, sure haven't forgot
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - jeemu - 01-10-2012
There is some pics those new Master Powers.
That 4449-2 is just pure diamond
![[Image: full]](http://jeemu.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Kaikkee/Tarvikemotti.com/Master+Power+MPR/R4449-2.JPG/full)
http://jeemu.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Kaikkee/Tarvikemotti.com/Master%20Power%20MPR/
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-20-2012
There are some new maps available in Master Power official Facebook site, incl R444 and R4449.
I'll update my forums c/map section soon.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-22-2012
I updated the comp maps with compressor info to our forum
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Rub87 - 01-29-2012
Does the 54x77 wheel come in a vented housing? somehow it seems to have such a nasty dent in the map just where one needs it for good midrange..
I was looking for something like an S200 pn 177257, but then with a recirculated (anti surge) housing and internal WG turbine housing.. is somewhere in between the EFR 62 and 67mm wheel qua flow but broader map when used with a recirculated comp housing
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-30-2012
(01-29-2012, 03:01 PM)Rub87 Does the 54x77 wheel come in a vented housing? somehow it seems to have such a nasty dent in the map just where one needs it for good midrange..
I was looking for something like an S200 pn 177257, but then with a recirculated (anti surge) housing and internal WG turbine housing.. is somewhere in between the EFR 62 and 67mm wheel qua flow but broader map when used with a recirculated comp housing
Every MPR with 44mm compressor or larger feature the ported shroud compressor housing.
About the midrange, if you pick PR 2.6, the flow is ~22lb/min or if you pick PR3.0 the flow would be around 27lb/min.
Do you use measured/calculated from measured data or 'estimated' values when calculating the mass flow?
About the map, where did you find the actual compressor map for the S200 pn 177257, BW catalog shows only one map for all compressor options...
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Rub87 - 01-30-2012
Unfortuantly I cannot publish the map, but the 177257 in stock form does around 0.33kg/sec at PR 3.7 with eta .69, so this is with a non vented housing, surgeline is very compareable to your 54x77 wheel. when adding a vented housing to the 177257, one could estimate PR3 to be around .17kg/sec at eta .7.. I want to use this turbo on a 2 liter engine, and the LP can do PR 3 from 1500 till 2500 rpm easily, after that it will be bypassed on both sides and the LP should be able to carry on alone till redline with PR 3.5 or slightly more
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-31-2012
Ok, so there is no map
The ported shroud doesn't significantly broaden the map in general but widen's the 'islands' and in mid section reduces the necessary shaft speed.
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Rub87 - 01-31-2012
Sure there is a map, map of the 172244 wheel in the 177257 turbo which comes unfortunately only with standard comp housing, but I would expect that the shroud really moves the surgeline a healthy portion to the left, as the way the map is now, the eta .72 island is cut for a good portion by the surgeline..
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Rub87 - 01-31-2012
In fact the map in BW 2011 catalog at the S200SX page is from turbo 178034, imo quite contrast (surgeline wise) with 177268 which has the same wheel in a non vented housing..
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-31-2012
The map on page 35 is from a turbo that's not listed in the catalog?
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - Rub87 - 01-31-2012
not completely, its from a turbo listed, just with different comp housing =)
(also not the only slight error I foudn in the catalog )
RE: New Master Power R series turbo - antonmies - 01-31-2012
if the comp housing changes, the map changes. Where is the 178034 you said the map is from?