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GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-07-2010
82 300SD.....
Sat for 8 years. Flushed tank and lines. New diesel. New filters. System is bled. New glow plugs. 1000cca battery. I can get it to sort of stumble and smoke after some diesel starting fluid right in the turbo and then it'll rattle a bit but won't stay running. Pulling my hair out for 3 weeks on and off... Also 2 steps from gutting the drive train and fuel system to put up for sale and jam a *gasp* small block chevy in it..... It's blasphemy, I know. So, to avoid this travesty, I need some help. Glow plug relay maybe? Anything?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - George3soccer - 09-07-2010
Does the glow plug light turn on and then shut off. Check the voltage between each glow plug lead should be constant between each and everyone they run in parallel.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - SicNick - 09-07-2010
(09-07-2010, 11:25 PM)George3soccer Does the glow plug light turn on and then shut off. Check the voltage between each glow plug lead should be constant between each and everyone they run in parallel.
My advice would be to disconnect the glow plug relay entirely, push the car into direct sunlight(if possible), and while cranking apply starting fluid in small controlled bursts, it should pop off and begin to run on that... Grab a can of Big Blast WD40 and try to keep her running with this. If this works you know you have a fuel issue. Do you have solid fuel leaving your return line circuit?
Also, while you've been cranking and it has failed to start is there visible smoke from the tailpipe? If so, what color?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-08-2010
glow plug light goes on and off. it does it's whole cycle with the buzzing and what not.
fuel isn't the issue. pressure and return lines run nice and solid. no issues with flow. filters are clean. system is always primed before each start just to make sure that it isn't an issue. i'll try the wd40 trick though.
if that doesn't work, then what?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-08-2010
How are have you verified the fuel system is bled? All new filters? Try swapping the to and fro fuel lines from the tank. You should really put some MMO in the cylinders and let it sit for a few days. Then tow start if you are still having problems.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-08-2010
all new filters. cracked the lines open and bled them through. since it sat for so long it's had all new filters and fluids along with new brakes, some suspension pieces, tires, etc. this is just the last step is to get it moving under it's own power.
MMO....? excuse the ignorance. it turns over okay, but anything can help.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-08-2010
Marvel Magic Oil. Helps free stuck rings. I would try a tow start if all else fails. The starter may not be turning over fast enough to build compression with stuck rings.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-08-2010
marvel snake oil? hell it's worth a try. and tow start... interesting thought. just leave it in first and tow away?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-08-2010
I forget the specifics but that is the gist of it. 25mph is needed I think.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-08-2010
i'm gonna try the snake oil. now that i think about it, i'll bet the damned rings are stuck. i think its pressurizing the crank case when its turning over because i'm getting some smoke out of the crank case vent on the valve cover.... interesting. i'll post up results. best access to rings is to take out the injectors, yes?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Captain America - 09-10-2010
Put the small block chevy in....
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - ForcedInduction - 09-11-2010
(09-10-2010, 10:04 PM)Captain America Put the big block chevy in....
Fixed.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-12-2010
the small block chevy idea is sounding better. 69 orig 350/350 10/20 block i have and especially with the supercharger i have in the garage i want to use for it. it's off of a packard merlin v1650 from a p-51d... 100mm inlet, 10.5" impeller wheel, 25lbs of wartime boost with a shitload of cfm on 1650cid at 20,000 ft
. that's all for another discussion though.so. i forgot that i hadn't changed the glow plugs yet... thought i did. realized i didn't when the damned glow plug light didn't come on today. changed 4 out of the 5 (how in the hell do you get that back one out with big mitts?). glow plug light came on. broke a damned return hose thing on injector #1 and cut it down to rig it in, but it needs a new one.... what size/type of hose is that? oh and the magic snake oil did the trick after sitting for a couple of hours (thanks winmutt!!). no more crank case pressure. but now i have fuel, glow plugs, and unstuck rings... and the bastard still won't start. it's cranking kind of slow which could be the battery or the charger. i don't think it's cranking fast enough to catch. i'm gonna try a new battery monday. or if anyone has any other ideas? and another point of annoyance. the asshat before the last owner jammed the damn alternator pivot bolt on so tight that a 4' breaker bar couldn't get it loose. so looks like the alternator with bracket is coming out so i can fix that... how many bolts are on that bracket?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Captain America - 09-12-2010
Big Blocks are slow to rev if not built and would not be very fun in this type of car, if you could get one to fit.... a small block would rap nice and quick and with a turbo 350, 400, 4l60, 4l80, richmond 5, TKO 6. whatever would be so fun and crazy in this car I might have to do one in mine....
Small Block Possy!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
ok. seems my questions were too convoluted in my run-on response. so i'll list em:
1. what is the easiest way to get cyl #5 glow plug out?
2. what size/type of hose is the return hose?
3. engine is cranking slow, besides a new crap battery, what else could be the cause? rings seem to be unstuck, glow plugs are good, has fuel, still no start?
4. how much of a pain in the ass is it to pull the alternator bracket out with the alternator still attached? i can't loosen the damn pivot bolt and would rather not use a torch down there.
thanks boys!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-13-2010
1. Ratcheting wrench.
2. 4mm? hose? You can get it pretty cheap at autohausaz.com
3. New starter. Did you change the oil?
4. Try from the bottom?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
1. that's what i thought. i gotta see if i got one that i can use with my big mitts.
2. ok. nothing really weird, just 4-5mm diesel/fuel hose? not vacuum line, right? i snipped off the brittle ends and made it stretch, but i'm sure ill break another one eventually.
3. i'm gonna try a new battery... then a starter. dammit.
4. already tried with a 4' breaker bar after letting pb blaster sit on it for 12 hours. i'm gonna have to take the whole thing out and torch it then i guess. there is not tensioner bolt. some gorilla pinned the bastard in place and tightened the hell out of the bolts to keep it in place. god only knows how long it's been like that. i took the belts off by taking off the water pump pulley but couldn't get em back on that way.
thanks again winmutt!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-13-2010
If you need a quick cheap fix on the return lines you can use weed eater fuel hose but it will not stand up to the heat.
Use a bigger bar (or your doing it wrong).
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
ahh. okee.
4' brake going counter clock wise. i couldn't get a good look at it at 1am, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was tack-welded in place. the slide bolt was. that's why i'm gonna have to pull it.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Silberpfeil - 09-13-2010
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the small block chevy idea is sounding better. 69 orig 350/350 10/20 block i have and especially with the supercharger i have in the garage i want to use for it. it's off of a packard merlin v1650 from a p-51d... 100mm inlet, 10.5" impeller wheel, 25lbs of wartime boost with a shitload of cfm on 1650cid at 20,000 ft
. that's all for another discussion though.Where did you manage to scrape one of those things up?? You've got to let us know what you end up doing with it.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
ebay. i almost ended up with 2. i got the nicer of the 2 though. i'll post up pics of it later. it's going on that engine. i'm working on designing the fueling system for it right now. it's looking like i'm going to have to build my own propane mixer as the commercially available ones may get destroyed by this thing either via vacuum or boost levels.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - winmutt - 09-13-2010
Relic!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
ya. it's sort of the crowning jewel of my garage. i'm trying to find an old radial engine or 2 to play with and stuff in something for the right price. i can find plenty of turbo jets and such and hardly ever a radial for the right price.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Silberpfeil - 09-13-2010
(09-13-2010, 02:55 PM)MadMaxW126 ebay. i almost ended up with 2. i got the nicer of the 2 though. i'll post up pics of it later. it's going on that engine. i'm working on designing the fueling system for it right now. it's looking like i'm going to have to build my own propane mixer as the commercially available ones may get destroyed by this thing either via vacuum or boost levels.
I gotta ask how much you paid.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
$318 shipped. a couple of air museums have offered me between $4500-6500 for it because it's a restoration grade piece. still won't sell though. it's just too damned neat.
i forgot i had a pic on the computer here at work. it's on a standard 12" stool. pic is taken kind of at an angle, but you get the gist.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Captain America - 09-13-2010
your gonna try and use that on a SBC!?!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-13-2010
sold my dodge v10, bb ford and bb caddy stuff, so ya. block is ribbed, studded and all that non-sense. working with a couple manufacturers for my options on a crank and rods. pistons are picked out. heads are gonna be iron, big ass cfm 2.08/1.60's from afr which will be o-ringed. i'm gonna adapt everything to a single plane open intake manifold. anything that needs to be milled/made/modified can be done at my bro-in laws machine shop for a couple bottles of crown and the cost of materials. all dry sump. i may send all my stuff out to decatur to be cryo'ed as well. waiting on a quote for it. shooting between 1000-1200hp at the crank as all the flow numbers are theoretical on the supercharger as they didn't map things out like they do now. transmission depends on what it gets stuffed into. still looking for a sub 3500lb carcass with a 34 cd or lower for a close to free as they come. whatever it is, it's getting cut up for a frame and to mount this silly thing. we're building it for a texas standing mile run. all in all, it's a long term project unless i come across someone to sponsor something this ridiculous.
oh, and i know it's somewhat on the wtf are you thinking side. so i am taking bets on how long it'll live since it's sole purpose is building lots of speed very quickly going (hopefully) straight in one direction and then (hopefully) stopping.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - willbhere4u - 09-13-2010
that reminded me of the train supercharger!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qeYd5gcnQ
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Captain America - 09-13-2010
Hahahahahah. that sounds perfect to me. Do I think your crazy, no. Do people think people like us are crazy, yes. Sounds awesome. I need to see more on this project.
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - Rudolf_Diesel - 09-13-2010
That train S/C is quite a feat of engineering and I give him some credit....but it is kinda like these, sure they are big, but dayam, a little too big!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - willbhere4u - 09-13-2010
It takes a classy kinda lady to get basketballs as implants!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-14-2010
hey look! flotation devices!
anywho
1. threw a new, fully charged battery in it and it still cranks slower than shit. looks like it's getting a starter.
2. we got the damn alternator to move! apparently soaking the entire mess with pb blaster for a couple of days and getting pissed and hitting it a big ass wrench was enough of a motivator. still can't get the damned bolt out, but the alternator moved.... so i'm not as worried about it right now.
so all in all.... progress!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-20-2010
UPDATE:
I didn't get a chance to throw the starter in this weekend (looks like it is going to suck donkey taint). But for fun, I charged the piss out of the battery and had it hooked to a rigged up 1500cca jump box... It turned over fine!... but still won't catch. I used a combo of vaporized wd40 and diesel starting fluid and could get it to stumble... still wouldn't light off entirely. I'm gonna swap in new filters tonight and see what happens. It now seems to be a fueling issue. There's fresh diesel and diesel clean in it. Any other ideas?
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - willbhere4u - 09-20-2010
Good luck hope it's not an injection pump issue! But that wouldn't be the end of the world either they are readily available and cheap through the right sources!
RE: GD MFing thing won't start.... HELP - MadMaxW126 - 09-20-2010
see. that's the thing. besides this one, i have only seen maybe 15 of these with a diesel in the wild, EVER with in a 100 mile radius from work/home. there are none in the junkyards. none on lkq. they don't die and/or people don't get rid of them around here. so i hope changing the filters and what not works.