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RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - HoleshotHolset - 05-12-2011
(05-11-2011, 08:24 PM)E300TSC No, it revved normally, it just sounded stifled and then surged at idle.
OK, nevermind.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 05-12-2011
(05-11-2011, 01:07 PM)tomnik details about the Powerstroke fuel pump?
12V, Amps?
What kind of pump is it: gear type?
Overflow valve, adjustable pressure?
Flow?
65$ new?
Tom
Tom,
It's 12v but I don't know the amps. It is stock on the Ford Diesel. The one on my truck is currently supporting over 300HP and 65 PSI.
There is no overflow or adjustable pressure. It's a simple gear type pump. I plan on adjusting pressure at the outlet on the injection pump.
See here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FUEL-PUMP-2000-FORD-F-350-SUPER-DUTY-DIESEL-E2236-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cb0394682QQitemZ260654581378QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Captain America - 05-14-2011
Basically an Airtex inline pump.
http://sales.buysmrt.com/s/E8248
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 06-21-2011
I figure I should do an update since it's been over a month...
I finally fixed all of the fuel leaks and adjusted the timing by ear as best I could. There is a fairly loud clack from cyl. number 3 that goes away when the engine is warm. Much of the noise and roughness, I attribute to the pump needing adjustment.
So, for now, I need to concentrate on the induction/exhaust system.
It still runs a little rough at idle but I can fix that by running the air conditioner!
Here's a few pictures:
![[Image: IMG_49761.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_49761.jpg)
![[Image: IMG_49752.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_49752.jpg)
![[Image: IMG_49742.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_49742.jpg)
![[Image: IMG_49771.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_49771.jpg)
The oil spots in the intake are from the air conditioning fill valve.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Olivier - 06-22-2011
This is really nice.
Can you tell me/ us a bit more on the procedure of fitting the elements yourself as this is the most costly part in the process (I think) and what tools did you need?
Thank you.
You might want to look at the hole in the filter housing, right after the pre-filter, the one where the clear pipe going to the SOV is fitted, its teeny teeny, 6mm maybe? I enlarged mine a little while ago, its better for the veg to have bigger bores.
Well done
What paint did you use for the rock cover?
Olivier
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Captain America - 06-22-2011
oooooooohh baby thats sexy!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - randomdude - 06-22-2011
wait, is the eaton not on yet? or am i blinder than i thought?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 06-22-2011
This is the exact paint I used:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Engine-Enamel-with-Ceramic%C2%99-,-Red,-12-oz--Aerosol-Duplicolor_7141557-P_N3268_T|GRP2050_____
The pump is actually VERY simple and easy to work on. I had to construct a couple special tools in order to get the cam out. Once done, it was very easy to swap the elements.
Randomdude, the SC and HX40 are not on there yet. I did things a little backward. I still need to fabricate the exhaust manifold to I can mount the turbo.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Olivier - 06-23-2011
Hi E300TSC,
could you post a simple DIY on how to remove the cam, why does the cam need to be remove etc... Also I thought the elements need to be adjusted with/ on a professional bench, how did you pass this? This is great news to be able to DIY
What tools did you constructs and are needed, can you post some pictures?
Thank you.
All the best.
Olivier
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - tomnik - 06-23-2011
(06-23-2011, 11:10 AM)Olivier Hi E300TSC,
could you post a simple DIY on how to remove the cam, why does the cam need to be remove etc... Also I thought the elements need to be adjusted with/ on a professional bench, how did you pass this? This is great news to be able to DIY
What tools did you constructs and are needed, can you post some pictures?
Thank you.
All the best.
Olivier
Hi Oliver,
the cam has to be removed because the plungers run on rollers (spring loaded) on the cam...
I would not say it is DIY, maybe possible on electronic governor pumps but balancing the quantities and more important adjusting a mechanical governor, no way.
Tom
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Olivier - 06-23-2011
Hi Tom,
thank you for this. I need more info on how E300TSC did it then, I don't think he put it on a bench yet? Would be a little tedious to take it out again to put it properly?
I was hoping I could do it me, meself and I once I got enough to get the plungers from you
Olivier
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - tomnik - 06-23-2011
Hi Oliver,
from my experience the step of installing the 7.5 is nearly the same compared to then getting the pump/governor adjusted properly by a specialist.
Again, it is a bit better with electronic governor but also here the individual quantity has to be correct.
I tried many "just swap the elements" even on a bench but the satisfying result only came when an expert adjusted the governor.
Tom
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 06-24-2011
The engine actually runs quite well. Just a little roughness at idle which is to be expected. I will be pulling the pump again for adjustment at a later time but for now, it's satisfactory.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Imaginos - 06-24-2011
Looks very nice.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Olivier - 06-24-2011
How was the space to pull the pump out? Was it really tight or OK, at the front I mean, do you need to take the Rad out or not?
Thank you.
Olivier
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - mantahead - 06-24-2011
(06-23-2011, 01:20 PM)Olivier Hi Tom,hi
thank you for this. I need more info on how E300TSC did it then, I don't think he put it on a bench yet? Would be a little tedious to take it out again to put it properly?
I was hoping I could do it me, meself and I once I got enough to get the plungers from you
Olivier
i changed my elements over with no special tools only small allen keys to lock the plungers and help from my 11 year old son, it was no big deal. I set the quanties up on the engine at idle. I currently running 368hp and 426 ft lb torque on dyno dynamics rolling road only reving to 5500rpm with standard exhaust manifold modified to hold hx35.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Olivier - 06-25-2011
Woohoo Mantahead! that sound mighty. You see I have no idea what is the pump looking like once out. Then I don't know where the plungers would be accesible, and how. How can you set the quantity at idle? I have no idea where it would be. Is it a E300TD? Where did you get the HX35
Cheers.
Olivier
Where about in NI? I get the ferry once in awhile in Belfast, are you near?
We are hijacking this thread, perhaps I should open another one about pump removal and plunger, what do you you E300TSC?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 07-01-2011
Taking the car on a 1000 mile road trip tomorrow. I'll report on mileage, performance, etc...
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - ben2go - 07-01-2011
Can't wait.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 07-03-2011
Well, the car mad it to the first leg of the journey without a problem. The first tank of fuel calculated out to be 28 MPG. Not bad for mixed driving. The second tank should be even better. I have about 600 miles on the new elements at this time.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 07-05-2011
Back in town now. Over 1200 miles on the Floyd 7.5mm elements and not a problem! One leg of the trip yielded an incredible 37+ MPG! An absolute record for this car. I can't wait to get the pump calibrated and see what it can do!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - winmutt - 07-06-2011
Wow 37mpg. NICE.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - bmartins - 07-12-2011
Hello.
This is a great project......
Congratulations to the man.
Thanks for sharing this to us
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - HoleshotHolset - 07-24-2011
(07-05-2011, 09:34 PM)E300TSC One leg of the trip yielded an incredible 37+ MPG! An absolute record for this car.
Well done - my best to date is 34MPG...nearly 100% highway and never below 65MPH.
I can't wait to see how I could do with either a manual transmission or a GM automatic with a better OD ratio and 100% torque converter clutch lockup. The 722.6's TCC never locks beyond 95%...weaksauce.
Beers,
Matt
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - mike-81-240d - 07-24-2011
(07-05-2011, 09:34 PM)E300TSC Back in town now. Over 1200 miles on the Floyd 7.5mm elements and not a problem! One leg of the trip yielded an incredible 37+ MPG! An absolute record for this car. I can't wait to get the pump calibrated and see what it can do!
Simply awesome! Great job!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 09-19-2011
Quick update:
News flash: This project is getting ready to explode!
JHunt is graciously helping me and allowing me to use his facilities to get this thing done. This is a huge deal for me because I was seriously wondering how I would manage some areas of the project. I am very excited and grateful!
We worked on the exhaust flanges today, cleaning them up on the vertical mill.
![[Image: IMG_5160.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_5160.jpg)
![[Image: IMG_5158.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/kartek/Mercedes/IMG_5158.jpg)
I've also been making small adjustments to the pump and to the sensors and it's running VERY well! Here's what I'm running right now:
Stock turbo and ECU controls.
Calibrated leak on the MAP sensor. (delays initial fueling, reduces smoke)
EGR defeated
MAF defeated
Just turned 3000 miles and no codes. Runs fantastically!
More to come soon!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - ben2go - 09-20-2011
Awesome!Those flanges are engine jewelery.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - DeliveryValve - 09-20-2011
Very nice. Glad the project is coming along well.
.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - randomdude - 09-26-2011
sweet! adding extra fuel, hoping it up, and still 37 mpg, gotta love a diesel huh?
what boost pressure do you run?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 10-12-2011
Still making progress. Had a last minute invite to an autocross while I was out of town last weekend...
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hx6l9XjMCU
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - DanielK - 10-12-2011
The entire video, I was thinking to myself, "Those tires need air." lmao.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 10-12-2011
Yeah, I was on a road trip and went right from the highway to the track without airing up. I took it slow as I'd rather not roll a tire off the rim far from home even with a spare, it's a PITA...
On later runs, I went and added air and it was all good. Shaved about 5 seconds off my time!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - E300TSC - 01-24-2012
Well, that "explosion" of progress ended up fizzling. I'm wrapped up currently taking care of my father so the car work has come to a 99.9% standstill.
I did however, buy an electric fuel pump (powerstroke diesel). I'll hook it up at some point and report the results.
BTW, here's another video, this time with air in the front tires!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG9UnkIZvhs
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Pinchers - 04-12-2013
Ive just been reading over this thread and would love to do a element swap on my electric pump, im looking for extra oomph out of my daily drive. how much would a set of 7.5mm elements cost from Tomnik?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - 97e300 - 08-02-2013
Hey man, its been a while since your last update! What ever happened to the e300?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Simpler=Better - 08-02-2013
That machinist is a pro, the windex bottle coolant/lube sprayer is the most convenient thing ever!
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - 0815 - 08-05-2013
Hi, could you explain a few details about "defeat maf sensor" and "calibrate leak on map sensor"?
Did I read right, no software changes from the ecu?
sounds really interesting, a friend also owns a 300TD ('97 I think) and also plans little modifications.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Hario' - 09-26-2013
A calibrated MAP sensor leak is when you literally perforate the pipe from the manifold to the map sensor (at the map sensor end) so the map sensor picks up less pressure than is in the manifold.
This lets you increase the boost pressure over stock without the ecu going into limp home mode.
With bigger IP elements the ecu believes the engine is stock, as it is unaware of the extra fuel and air..
Winner!
H.
Ps if anyone has any 606.962 maf delete info they could share please do as this is the only thing stopping me do all of the above. Regards.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Graminal95 - 09-26-2013
I was able to delete my MAF by using a 22k resistor and putting it between the yellow and blue wires on the connector for the MAF. I'll double check on my way home from work in a little and snap a photo.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Hario' - 09-29-2013
I tried this by fitting a 22k resistor into the corresponding blue/yellow connectors in the maf plug, but then boost would rise very slowly, as if the wastegate was open.
However I didn't solder the resistor to the blue and yellow wires leading to the maf while leaving the maf connector connected. Thinking about it this is what I need to do right?
If that makes sense, I disconnected the maf plug and poked the resistor legs into the blue and yellow wire female contacts in the plug leaving the plug hanging..
Do you have a build thread Graminal95?
I'm going to start one as there are a few elec.IP owners amongst us.
H.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Graminal95 - 10-01-2013
It is interesting that the resister trick did not work for you and has worked great for me. To get around it we could easily have an arduino take in the tps and boost signal or rpm and tps to tell the comp how much air is going into the engine. We just need the normal airflow as measured by the engine using a OBDII scanner at idle and under full boost at high RPM. I could do this if I still have a good maf, but without it I can only do my 22k resistor mod.
I do not have a build thread yet, but in another year or so when the w210 body rots away I will be tansplating the OM606 into my shinny W123. Then I will start a build thread. I'm just being cheap and did not want to buy a maf for this car that lead me to the 22k mod.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Hario' - 10-01-2013
Interesting, so you left the maf plug disconnected and the resistor poked in the plug jumping the yellow/blue wires?
My 210 is my daily so I have to plan lots then get oily over the weekend and have it back on the road for the Monday it's such an ache.
Did you delete the egr solenoid also? Because the maf resistor trick may work for me then.
I'm in the process of cad'ing a manifold flange adapter for stock manifold to TD04 because they're both round port and 3 bolt, with csk bolts to the manifold and csk bolts protruding outwards for 'studs' for the TD04, they are dirt cheap by the way, OEM on subarus and evo's IIRC.
With a crappy bleed valve leaking manifold signal to the map sensor so I can increase boost over stock.
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - My E250D - 10-14-2013
Tom
I am interested to get those special nozzle for my OM605
Jan
(04-25-2010, 01:55 AM)tomnik What pop pressure do you intend to set up?
Experience over here on a 603a stock showed best results at 135 bar. Before it was 155 bar, but he did not compensate with the full load screw and fuel delivery and noise did not satisfy him.
At 135 he was very happy with low end power, no smoke and less consumption.
Tom
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Hario' - 11-17-2013
Edit: I misread and tried with a 12k resisitor which obviously didn't work!
Going to try Mk.2 tomorrow with 22k, will report back.
MAF is the last thing in the way of myself fitting a bigger turbo to replace the OEM KKK.. (going for max power and retaining the OEM manifold for cheaps..).
H
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Mr_Robs - 12-22-2014
Bump from the dead. Any updates on this project mate?
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - Sleek~silver602 - 02-25-2015
bump from the dead twice
RE: 1998 E300 W210 Superturbo Project - atypicalguy - 11-04-2017
I guess the car was too good without the new exhaust manifold for whatever he wanted to do with it.