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RE: M75 Floyd elements - tomnik - 03-10-2010
3 sets of MW65 are in progress (matching the plunger).
I might be able to have them in my hands on Friday.
Tom
(03-09-2010, 10:45 PM)kmaser Has there been any progress with the MW65 elements ?
Kurtis
RE: M75 Floyd elements - constantproject - 03-11-2010
can someone send/show me a cutaway of one of these pumps, i want to tweak for power but i am new to diesels. i have a 617.915 if that helps, i am working on getting the engine back into spec and if i have to take things apart i might as well upgrade at the same time right? just small things for now but the pump upgrades seem to be the biggest issue trying to make power...i like power lol
RE: M75 Floyd elements - kmaser - 03-11-2010
Are they spoken for or would I be able to reserve a set?
(03-10-2010, 01:09 AM)tomnik 3 sets of MW65 are in progress (matching the plunger).
I might be able to have them in my hands on Friday.
Tom
(03-09-2010, 10:45 PM)kmaser Has there been any progress with the MW65 elements ?
Kurtis
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Biohazard - 03-12-2010
Hi all,
I'm also anxiously awaiting a set of the MW65 elements as well. Next weekend (20th) is currently scheduled to be my intercooler install day, along with other goodness if I can swing the time.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - tomnik - 03-13-2010
Kurtis and Brian are noted for a set of MW65 Holly elements.
I'll let you know when they are on my table.
Thanks,
Tom
RE: M75 Floyd elements - 95e300dez - 03-25-2010
So I have my turbo installed on my 95 and getting my egt and intercooler just wondering about the elements and if there are any updates on them like if they have been tried. Very interested because I have found a used pump from myna 603 with alda. My goal is max 300 hp so these would be perfect and I am getting ready for the pump modds.
![[Image: 100_3166.jpg]](http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/2benchanted/Mercedes%20606%20turbo/100_3166.jpg)
RE: M75 Floyd elements - tomnik - 03-26-2010
David is in the bench shop today where Rudolf's IP is in progress to get an update.
I would like to see the results before I start to send the next elements.
Tom
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Jtn190D - 03-30-2010
Any updates?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Rudolf_Diesel - 03-31-2010
(03-30-2010, 10:08 AM)Jtn190D Any updates?
Waiting patiently for my pump to be completed
.......
RE: M75 Floyd elements - GeertDB - 03-31-2010
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So I have my turbo installed on my 95 and getting my egt and intercooler just wondering about the elements and if there are any updates on them like if they have been tried. Very interested because I have found a used pump from myna 603 with alda. My goal is max 300 hp so these would be perfect and I am getting ready for the pump modds.
This looks like a N/A om606 with stock intake manifold. Am I correct or was it already a turbo engine ?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - 95e300dez - 03-31-2010
Yes it is a stock 95 NA606 that I put a HX35 with a 12 cm exhaust housing works real can't wait to turn up the pump.Here is a link to some pics.http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/2benchanted/Mercedes%20606%20turbo/
RE: M75 Floyd elements - GeertDB - 04-01-2010
The pics look great, however I was told that the N/A engines are not so good on handling the extra power. I have one myself that I left untouched for this reason. How much psi is the turbo running ? The N/A engines have much higher compression ratio than the turbo engines, so how did you manage that ? Or the head gasket is going to fly very soon.
I am curious to see how long the engine will last.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - 95e300dez - 04-01-2010
I have not heard these are that sensitive. I know these are a little high in comp. but diesel are high anyway. I am only running 15lbs and will hold it lower because I know it has weaker rods and doesn't have the piston skirts the turbo motors have. What have you heard besides the compression that made you hold off the guys in Finland are modding these motors to 300hp on stock internals.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - GeertDB - 04-02-2010
The only reason was the strength of the internals. A mercedes long time mechanic told me that on more then one occasion they even had some om603 turbo's comming in with pistons blown trough the engine. When I asked him if it was possible to rebuild my N/A to a stock kkk turbo ( only 147 hp ) he said big NO. anyway mechanics dont necessarily know everything that has been proven. I know mercedes engines are very durable and as you have already rebuild yours only time will tell. I hope it holds up, you even have a 24v (multivalve they called it here) turbo in a W124... nice
RE: M75 Floyd elements - gsxr - 04-02-2010
I thought the NA606 motor had the oil squirters for the pistons, same as the turbo 606, and that the NA606 would tolerate a mild turbo treatment...?
Also, the NA and turbo OM60x have the same compression ratio. The turbo engine does NOT have a lower ratio. The OM606.962 has a 22.0:1 compression ratio, exactly the same as the OM606.910
The Finns have been pushing the 603 turbo to 450hp with stock internals and no blown pistons. I'm not sure what that mechanic was talking about. I wouldn't worry much about pushing a NA603 to a measly 147hp, but I don't think I'd go past that. Better to get a proper turbo engine to start with.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Tymbrymi - 04-05-2010
(04-02-2010, 09:48 PM)gsxr I thought the NA606 motor had the oil squirters for the pistons, same as the turbo 606, and that the NA606 would tolerate a mild turbo treatment...?
The NA606 has oil squirters, but it doesn't have an oil galley in the piston like the turbo's do.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Rudolf_Diesel - 04-10-2010
I just got an email last night that the pump was on the bench and it is putting out 4 TIMES more fuel than stock and 3 Times the amount of fuel from where I had it tuned
I can't wait to get it back and in the car!!!!!
RE: M75 Floyd elements - gsxr - 04-10-2010
(04-10-2010, 09:18 AM)Rudolf_Diesel I just got an email last night that the pump was on the bench and it is putting out 4 TIMES more fuel than stock and 3 Times the amount of fuel from where I had it tunedRemind me again... is this on an M pump or MW pump? OM61x or OM60x....? Got any "cc" numbers from the test bench?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Rudolf_Diesel - 04-10-2010
(04-10-2010, 09:26 AM)gsxr(04-10-2010, 09:18 AM)Rudolf_Diesel I just got an email last night that the pump was on the bench and it is putting out 4 TIMES more fuel than stock and 3 Times the amount of fuel from where I had it tunedRemind me again... is this on an M pump or MW pump? OM61x or OM60x....? Got any "cc" numbers from the test bench?
This is an M-pump from a NA OM61x, I don't have numbers yet, just got an email at 1:30 AM EST that said, "I should be prepared to be happy". I should be getting some more information later today
RE: M75 Floyd elements - willbhere4u - 04-10-2010
sweet take some videos/pics when you get it
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Jtn190D - 04-21-2010
Any progress guys? I can't wait!!!!
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Rudolf_Diesel - 04-22-2010
Waiting patiently
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Jtn190D - 05-08-2010
Any thing new?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Rudolf_Diesel - 05-09-2010
If all goes well I should have the pump toward the end of the week or the begining of next week.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Jtn190D - 06-03-2010
Are these ready for production yet?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - tomnik - 06-03-2010
Oh yes.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/cylinder-super-pump-testing-fitted-with-m75-floyd-t-1356.html
Tom
RE: M75 Floyd elements - xgroundel - 12-15-2012
(01-23-2010, 01:26 PM)tomnik Hi,
one element is 60 EUR.
The final cost for the swap and adjustments will be more clear after the first IP is done.
Tom
(01-21-2010, 07:37 PM)squirrelmaster So what is the price tag to buy and have you guys setup a pump with the m75 elements?
[edited for ridiculous use of cap lock]
Hi, Tomnik can you email me at emilpetrov946@gmail.com to send you an adress where can you send the elements and ask you something
Waiting for your reply
RE: M75 Floyd elements - frea - 12-19-2012
Hi Tomnik,
Would you give me your advice.
I have G klass and two years headache with it too. I put 117 engine but I took it and then I put in G klass an engine 606, 177 ps, but I have some problems with electronics in diesel pump. In the engine 606 there is a chip / around 200-210 ps/
I read in forum that it is successful to take a pump from 603 , 147 ps. - how do you think? If i put the pump 603- how does engine work and what is necessary for start working?
I saw that you have made improved items for pump 603.
With which item I can receive more Nm in the low level with?
I'm waiting for your response and thank you in advance
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Volker407 - 12-19-2012
Tomnik is tied with stuff at the moment. I don´t know if he can answer you soon.
Basically, if you have Pasi from PPDiesel set a OM603 pump for you with Tomniks´ M75 Floyd elements, you have got what you most probably desire.
Maybe even a little more power.
You can ask Pasi directly, he is also a member here.
Gruß
Volker
RE: M75 Floyd elements - xgroundel - 12-24-2012
Is the block on the 606na and 606 turbo the same,so you can swap the turbo pistons for more strenght?
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Ksteen2 - 12-28-2012
its different crank rods and pistons after what I've read
in NA an Turbos
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Austincarnut - 12-28-2012
Are you referring to the 617 MW pump elements? I am very interested as several of us are about to attempt to develop our own. If you have already found an alternative.
JM
(03-10-2010, 01:09 AM)tomnik 3 sets of MW65 are in progress (matching the plunger).
I might be able to have them in my hands on Friday.
Tom
(03-09-2010, 10:45 PM)kmaser Has there been any progress with the MW65 elements ?
Kurtis
RE: M75 Floyd elements - wagonfreak - 12-28-2012
Ditto I really want a mw65 elements so I don't have to hunt down a m pump and hard lines
RE: M75 Floyd elements - OM616 - 12-28-2012
(12-28-2012, 09:32 AM)Austincarnut Are you referring to the 617 MW pump elements? I am very interested as several of us are about to attempt to develop our own. If you have already found an alternative.
JM
Tom only had a few MW element sets done a couple of years ago and they have all been sold. The USA market is the only one that really has a MW majority, and he has had bad experience with having them installed over here.
From our conversations, I can tell everyone that he is not interested in selling elements to the general public any more. He is supplying PP D with his elements as they can install them properly, no headaches.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Volker407 - 12-28-2012
So, how many elements are we talking about?
approximately 20-25 elements? (I would take 1 set for storage)
Although OM616 is right that Tomnik doesn´t sell elements to the public anymore.
Gruß
Volker
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Austincarnut - 12-28-2012
PPD?, I wouldn't consider myself the general public as I do this for a living, I have a local pump guy willing to install and work out any kinks in the process for a flat fee. The following of willing collaborators has us convinced this needs to be done for our US market cars.
(12-28-2012, 04:10 PM)OM616(12-28-2012, 09:32 AM)Austincarnut Are you referring to the 617 MW pump elements? I am very interested as several of us are about to attempt to develop our own. If you have already found an alternative.
JM
Tom only had a few MW element sets done a couple of years ago and they have all been sold. The USA market is the only one that really has a MW majority, and he has had bad experience with having them installed over here.
From our conversations, I can tell everyone that he is not interested in selling elements to the general public any more. He is supplying PP D with his elements as they can install them properly, no headaches.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - wagonfreak - 12-28-2012
I'm in up here in gatlinburg TN there is jack when it comes to anything helpful for a mercedes diesel
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Austincarnut - 12-28-2012
if you need any help/advice let me know. If we could make our own pumps here, we'd be all set.
(12-28-2012, 06:21 PM)wagonfreak I'm in up here in gatlinburg TN there is jack when it comes to anything helpful for a mercedes diesel
RE: M75 Floyd elements - wagonfreak - 12-29-2012
Well Austincarnut if the pump guy can get good results from a modded mw pump with any mm elements ill start pulling my pump and saving some $$$ heck maybe $$ cant be as bad as shipping it over seas heck tried to get my dad to take it over there once he loves to travel
RE: M75 Floyd elements - kmaser - 01-05-2013
I have a set of MW65 elements in my pump that was done in the US, I have been running it for about a year now with no issues. I believe with the increase in element size being so close to stock that it made the set up much easier for the pump shop. I think the further you get from stock the more complicated things get when relating element size, DV's, gov. Adj. etc.... That is where it just pays to get a pump built from shop with vast experience getting exactly what your looking for out of your pump. The reason nobody does it cheaply is the money and time they have in R&D to get to where they are.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Ksteen2 - 01-14-2013
Hi tom,
I wounder if you sell elements and how much do you take for them??
I have accsess to a bench and I want to do my own pump, so I can say all's "home made"
I also talk with Erling666 who I bougt a 606 from, that you are making a 8,5mm element, if so, what are the price tag for those??
I'm sorry for my baaad english, I live in norway
I would really want a sett of 6 8,5mm'ers
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Austincarnut - 01-14-2013
C'mon Tom, we want to buy your elements!
(01-14-2013, 03:51 AM)Ksteen2 Hi tom,
I wounder if you sell elements and how much do you take for them??
I have accsess to a bench and I want to do my own pump, so I can say all's "home made"
I also talk with Erling666 who I bougt a 606 from, that you are making a 8,5mm element, if so, what are the price tag for those??
I'm sorry for my baaad english, I live in norway
I would really want a sett of 6 8,5mm'ers
RE: M75 Floyd elements - bruno_pinho - 01-15-2013
home made projects are increasingly difficult to do ...
in my case, for example, can not buy element's because those who have them do not want to sell without mounting ... Tom was the one who knew what he did and what I see left to do.
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Alastair E - 01-15-2013
(01-14-2013, 07:39 PM)Austincarnut C'mon Tom, we want to buy your elements!
(01-14-2013, 03:51 AM)Ksteen2 Hi tom,
I wounder if you sell elements and how much do you take for them??
I have accsess to a bench and I want to do my own pump, so I can say all's "home made"
I also talk with Erling666 who I bougt a 606 from, that you are making a 8,5mm element, if so, what are the price tag for those??
I'm sorry for my baaad english, I live in norway
I would really want a sett of 6 8,5mm'ers
Tom isnt supplying out elements for the MW.--He made a FEW EXPERIMENTAL sets ONLY!
Limit on physical size for M type is around 8mm due to wall thickness anyway.
Tom supplies his 7.5 Floyd to PPD, he isnt interested in selling to the Public.....
--Maybe PPD will supply you with 7.5mm M type....
--Maybe Dieselmeken will supply you with his 7mm M type....
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Austincarnut - 01-15-2013
Ok, where's Tom?
(01-15-2013, 08:53 AM)Alastair E(01-14-2013, 07:39 PM)Austincarnut C'mon Tom, we want to buy your elements!
(01-14-2013, 03:51 AM)Ksteen2 Hi tom,
I wounder if you sell elements and how much do you take for them??
I have accsess to a bench and I want to do my own pump, so I can say all's "home made"
I also talk with Erling666 who I bougt a 606 from, that you are making a 8,5mm element, if so, what are the price tag for those??
I'm sorry for my baaad english, I live in norway
I would really want a sett of 6 8,5mm'ers
Tom isnt supplying out elements for the MW.--He made a FEW EXPERIMENTAL sets ONLY!
Limit on physical size for M type is around 8mm due to wall thickness anyway.
Tom supplies his 7.5 Floyd to PPD, he isnt interested in selling to the Public.....
--Maybe PPD will supply you with 7.5mm M type....
--Maybe Dieselmeken will supply you with his 7mm M type....
RE: M75 Floyd elements - BakRob - 01-16-2013
Dear Tomnik!
I'm building an OM606 and I'd like to buy a set of your elements, but as I read previously you stop selling to the crowd.
So my question is: where and how could I buy some nice 7-7.5mm elements (I don't want a knocking idle smoking high consumption engine). I'm from Hungary and here is no opportunity to have premium quality elements (only from Dieselkontor, but as I heard those are china elements). One of my friend is runnig a Bosch mechanic shop with really good results so the calibration is not a problem.
Sorry for my english but my german is much worse!
Mit freundliche Grüßen:
Robert
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Volker407 - 01-16-2013
(01-15-2013, 10:22 PM)Austincarnut Ok, where's Tom?
(01-14-2013, 07:39 PM)Austincarnut C'mon Tom, we want to buy your elements!
Hello,
I have talked to Tom yesterday and he told me that he is not a member of "superturbodiesel.com" anymore.
So you have to stick to Pasi from PP Diesel as he has a large number of Tomnik´s elements in stock.
Gruß
Volker
RE: M75 Floyd elements - Alastair E - 01-16-2013
(01-16-2013, 11:14 AM)Volker407 Hello,
I have talked to Tom yesterday and he told me that he is not a member of "superturbodiesel.com" anymore.
So you have to stick to Pasi from PP Diesel as he has a large number of Tomnik´s elements in stock.
Gruß
Volker
Ah--Thats a shame, Always found him a great source of info and a great guy...
I'm guessing he just got fed up being pestered!
RE: M75 Floyd elements - BakRob - 01-17-2013
(01-16-2013, 11:14 AM)Volker407(01-15-2013, 10:22 PM)Austincarnut Ok, where's Tom?(01-14-2013, 07:39 PM)Austincarnut C'mon Tom, we want to buy your elements!
Hello,
I have talked to Tom yesterday and he told me that he is not a member of "superturbodiesel.com" anymore.
So you have to stick to Pasi from PP Diesel as he has a large number of Tomnik´s elements in stock.
Gruß
Volker
Danke, Volker!
So, I have to search Pasi. Tomnik quit? - DAMN!
RE: M75 Floyd elements - bruno_pinho - 01-17-2013
pasi of the ppd also told me that not selling the items separately, only sells mounting the pump