Some new parts

Is that a custom timing advance device, and what is the last image a picture of?

They look like adjustable cam timing gears; very nice !

I wonder what the optimal degrees (+/-) will yield after rolling road testing ?

(02-17-2010 11:19 AM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  Is that a custom timing advance device, and what is the last image a picture of?

(02-17-2010 11:19 AM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  Is that a custom timing advance device, and what is the last image a picture of?

Yes that is modded advanse device and last picture is adjustable cam wheel like DervTuning say.

Awesome! Thanks for the info guys... keep it coming!

jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

More of the Finnish Superturbo secrets are being revealed. Awesome!

Who made the custom/modified timing advance mechanism? Looks like nice work!

Cheers,

Matt

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

(02-22-2010 12:38 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

Hi. Here is now winter so not much crip to test car, but now temp is aroun 500-550 celcius.

Today i send pump Mynä-Diesel and they change it new elements.

(02-22-2010 12:58 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:38 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

Hi. Here is now winter so not much crip to test car, but now temp is aroun 500-550 celcius.

Today i send pump Mynä-Diesel and they change it new elements.

okey .. Why I ask is that I do not really know what to have for the turbinehousing to my 300 24v why sending to Mynä?

(02-22-2010 03:27 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:58 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:38 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

Hi. Here is now winter so not much crip to test car, but now temp is aroun 500-550 celcius.

Today i send pump Mynä-Diesel and they change it new elements.

okey .. Why I ask is that I do not really know what to have for the turbinehousing to my 300 24v why sending to Mynä?

How much you want power?

They change new elements= more fuel

(02-22-2010 04:26 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 03:27 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:58 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:38 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

Hi. Here is now winter so not much crip to test car, but now temp is aroun 500-550 celcius.

Today i send pump Mynä-Diesel and they change it new elements.

okey .. Why I ask is that I do not really know what to have for the turbinehousing to my 300 24v why sending to Mynä?

How much you want power?

They change new elements= more fuel

I'm aiming to at least 500hk .. Consider a turbo from Borg Warner S472 with 72mm compressor and 83mm turbine wheel but I do not really know what turbine A / R size I should buy?

Are you going for 8mm size??

(02-23-2010 03:18 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 04:26 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 03:27 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:58 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-22-2010 12:38 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:08 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 10:43 AM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  jeemu, how many CM2 is your holset turbine's nozzle area?

I have Master Power turbo, it has turbinehousing nro 16.

With 16cm2 turbinehousing what do you have for exhaust temp?

Hi. Here is now winter so not much crip to test car, but now temp is aroun 500-550 celcius.

Today i send pump Mynä-Diesel and they change it new elements.

okey .. Why I ask is that I do not really know what to have for the turbinehousing to my 300 24v why sending to Mynä?

How much you want power?

They change new elements= more fuel

I'm aiming to at least 500hk .. Consider a turbo from Borg Warner S472 with 72mm compressor and 83mm turbine wheel but I do not really know what turbine A / R size I should buy?

Are you going for 8mm size??

If 500hp is enough that turbo is big for that. There go same turbo what i have. 65mm compressor and 69mm turbine wheel and 16 turbinehousing. What changes you gona do engine at you can reach that 500hp.

No. New 7mm gome pump. 170cm3

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(02-20-2010 03:47 PM)HoleshotHolset Wrote:  More of the Finnish Superturbo secrets are being revealed. Awesome!

Who made the custom/modified timing advance mechanism? Looks like nice work!

Cheers,

Matt

Secrets?? I modded that timing wheel my self.

Jeemu,

how can a 7mm element make 170ccm??
Effective stroke has to be about 4.4mm!
Does Myna regrind the cam ?

Tom

(02-24-2010 12:51 AM)tomnik Wrote:  Jeemu,

how can a 7mm element make 170ccm??
Effective stroke has to be about 4.4mm!
Does Myna regrind the cam ?

Tom

I dont know. I just send the pump there

(02-24-2010 12:51 AM)tomnik Wrote:  Does Myna regrind the cam ?

I have heard that they do, maybe an old post from schumans? They do the elements and grind the cam and add the external adjustments.

Okey maby its little too big but Im aming 500-600hk and i am working on head porting, custom manifolds bigger valves etc..) Shift size of the fuel lines and filters ,Mod the injection timing device and mynä 170ccm pump of course I thought you had 170ccm pump with the good dyno you showed us .. what did youre pump leave previous?

(02-25-2010 03:42 PM)Mercy Wrote:  what did youre pump leave previous?

150cm3

Now is new pump, engine sounds like stock, dosent krook at all

I installed adjustable cam wheels also and adjust intake cam, damm that thing take revs fast.

(03-09-2010 03:39 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Now is new pump, engine sounds like stock, dosent krook at all

I installed adjustable cam wheels also and adjust intake cam, damm that thing take revs fast.

Have you mounted modified cams to ??

(03-14-2010 10:00 AM)Mercy Wrote:  

(03-09-2010 03:39 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Now is new pump, engine sounds like stock, dosent krook at all

I installed adjustable cam wheels also and adjust intake cam, damm that thing take revs fast.

Have you mounted modified cams to ??

Not yet. Whats the rush

I went dyno today. Not much better but some.


   

That was a nice dyno but i thought it they would be more power with 170cc elements Do u got the same boost pressure??

(03-14-2010 05:18 PM)Mercy Wrote:  That was a nice dyno but i thought it they would be more power with 170cc elements Do u got the same boost pressure??

Its not just fuel what makes power. i think 190hp/ltr is good number on stock cams, or is it? Not seen too many 570hp 6syl dyno graphs.

100hp/sylinder. That will come there, just wait

(03-14-2010 06:10 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(03-14-2010 05:18 PM)Mercy Wrote:  That was a nice dyno but i thought it they would be more power with 170cc elements Do u got the same boost pressure??

Its not just fuel what makes power. i think 190hp/ltr is good number on stock cams, or is it? Not seen too many 570hp 6syl dyno graphs.

100hp/sylinder. That will come there, just wait

Im wery impressed of your dyno 190hp/ltr is wery good
I thought it was the fuel that limited for u to get 500hk
It becomes wery interesting when you run the dyno with the regrinded cams

Very nice dyno output you have there; lots of area under the curve. You already have enough power for 10 second 1/4 mile (~400m) runs

It is easy to forget this is a 2.5L 5 cylinder with that power output.

Do you have a video of the new dyno run?

(03-14-2010 06:10 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(03-14-2010 05:18 PM)Mercy Wrote:  That was a nice dyno but i thought it they would be more power with 170cc elements Do u got the same boost pressure??

Its not just fuel what makes power. i think 190hp/ltr is good number on stock cams, or is it? Not seen too many 570hp 6syl dyno graphs.

100hp/sylinder. That will come there, just wait

(03-18-2010 11:09 AM)DervTuning Wrote:  Very nice dyno output you have there; lots of area under the curve. You already have enough power for 10 second 1/4 mile (~400m) runs

It is easy to forget this is a 2.5L 5 cylinder with that power output.

Do you have a video of the new dyno run?

(03-14-2010 06:10 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(03-14-2010 05:18 PM)Mercy Wrote:  That was a nice dyno but i thought it they would be more power with 170cc elements Do u got the same boost pressure??

Its not just fuel what makes power. i think 190hp/ltr is good number on stock cams, or is it? Not seen too many 570hp 6syl dyno graphs.

100hp/sylinder. That will come there, just wait

Hi. Yes some people just see the max power, they dont think the engine size at all. I think allways what size engine is. Then i see how good tuner is. We filmed first dyno pull, but i havent had video yet.
I upload it yotube when i got it my own computer.

(03-14-2010 11:16 AM)jeemu Wrote:  I went dyno today. Not much better but some.

Nice!!! It may not be much better in the peak number, but it sounds like you've added a lot of refinement to it since the last pull (things like ALDA functionality).

What do you think your limiting factors are and why did you stop at 477? EGTs too high, nailing, max torque, or just experience?

Thanks for keeping us up to date!!

(12-22-2009 06:37 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Timing is 16degrees advance. Dont know what it is in high rpm.

Sorry to bring this back up... but what method are you using to check the timing? Is this the method?

http://www.w124performance.com/service/w...1-8240.pdf

If that's the case, do you have it set to 16* ATDC or have you advanced it 16* so that it's now 0* ATDC? Or am I missing something completely?

The reason I ask is that in the 10mm element thread, shredator retarded his timing from 26* BTDC to 15* BTDC (BTDC since he's using a different measuring technique). I would think with the larger elements you would have to retard your static timing... Then again, none of my cars make 470 HP!!

(03-25-2010 01:31 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-22-2009 06:37 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Timing is 16degrees advance. Dont know what it is in high rpm.

Sorry to bring this back up... but what method are you using to check the timing? Is this the method?

http://www.w124performance.com/service/w...1-8240.pdf

If that's the case, do you have it set to 16* ATDC or have you advanced it 16* so that it's now 0* ATDC? Or am I missing something completely?

The reason I ask is that in the 10mm element thread, shredator retarded his timing from 26* BTDC to 15* BTDC (BTDC since he's using a different measuring technique). I would think with the larger elements you would have to retard your static timing... Then again, none of my cars make 470 HP!!

Hi-. Now i have 20 BTDC. I try 18 BTDC but it bush only 456hp.
Back 20 BTDC numbers is 477hp.

I not use that kind tools when timing pump.

I use this


PS. That new pumpu sound just like original. No klak klak sound

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Some new parts made.

(03-25-2010 02:28 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Hi-. Now i have 20 BTDC. I try 18 BTDC but it bush only 456hp.
Back 20 BTDC numbers is 477hp.

The stock setting using that tool is 15* ATDC right? So you have yours advanced by 35*?

(03-25-2010 02:28 PM)jeemu Wrote:  PS. That new pumpu sound just like original. No klak klak sound

Some new parts made.

Nice! Glad to know that it's possible to get rid of all the clattering!

What is that? An adjustable wastegate actuator of some kind?

Would you mind explaining how you decide when you've reached the max power for that setup? I'm still curious why you decided that 477HP was as high as you wanted to go.

Thanks again!!!

(03-25-2010 03:53 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  Would you mind explaining how you decide when you've reached the max power for that setup? I'm still curious why you decided that 477HP was as high as you wanted to go.

Thanks again!!!

That 477 dyno made because i got the new pump, so we can see next dyno run how much that bush out with new cams.

190hp/ltr is ok, but not enough

(03-25-2010 03:53 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  What is that? An adjustable wastegate actuator of some kind?

Its ready. Do you now guess what that is?

Looks like an adjustable alda

I bet there is, but do you have a shaft/screw seal for the adjustment screw as well?

Nice work!

(03-29-2010 11:06 AM)DervTuning Wrote:  Looks like an adjustable alda

I bet there is, but do you have a shaft/screw seal for the adjustment screw as well?

Nice work!

Yep that is alda. Not cut fuel in big boost any more

Jeemu, Where can I find some fuel lines like the ones in your picture. Mine keep cracking.

(12-05-2009 03:48 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(12-05-2009 02:37 PM)DervTuning Wrote:  It is not the intercooler or charge piping that causes the restriction, but rather the inertia from the large diameter compressor and turbine wheels.

I've noticed this as well using a Holset HX40 using a gasser turbo gauge, and would see a bit of vacuum upon revving the engine. It is more pronounced when the engine/turbo is cold. I would imagine the benefit is even greater with a larger turbo than the HX40.

In addition, allowing the extra air into the engine, without any vaccum, will feed more exhaust products to the turbine wheel, decreasing the time for the turbo to spool, creating boost faster.

(12-05-2009 01:50 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-04-2009 03:23 PM)jeemu Wrote:  You are 100% correct

Awesome! Thanks for the info! So I guess you've seen some benefit from it in your testing so far? That's very interesting since I didn't think the huge intercoolers you use would really pose that much of a restriction.

DervTuning is right. Big wheel Turbo spins "slowly" at low rpm, so engine have more air for breather valve and makes engine low end and turbo spooling better. This Master Power wheels are 65mm kompressor and 69mm turbine.

Here is few photo of the engine.

(04-14-2010 03:48 AM)mbenzo300td Wrote:  Jeemu, Where can I find some fuel lines like the ones in your picture. Mine keep cracking.

Stock lines won't crack for no reason at all. Usually this is due to poor pump mounting.. So, do you have all the brackets mounted between pump and engine?

You also need all the injector line clips installed - if they are missing, you can end up with cracked lines:

My clip situation is a little sketchy. However I have taken the lines off and made sure there is no tension on them, they are all bent to fit precise. Ive gone through 3 #3's and 2 # 2's they all have cracked at the base. I posted about finding 617 dual line clips but got no response. The plastic 603 clips break to easy in my opinion. However, im still out of comission until i find a fuel line.

(04-14-2010 08:43 AM)gsxr Wrote:  You also need all the injector line clips installed - if they are missing, you can end up with cracked lines:

mbenzo300td you can find those stronger pipes from diesel parts sale shop.
I can inform you exact size when i go work tomorrow. Dont remember anymore.

Thank you Jemuu.

Do you have any loping problems? The VP44 Cummins owners often have that issue after installing larger ID injection lines.

(04-14-2010 05:41 PM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  Do you have any loping problems? The VP44 Cummins owners often have that issue after installing larger ID injection lines.

I m not notice any. Works fine. Those my pipes has thicker wall than orig

No luck on injection lines. Ive tried most all of the diesel shops in seattle with the exeption of bosch. Anyone know where I might look?

How is it going for you? I saw some new videos on youtube

(05-23-2010 05:11 PM)Mercy Wrote:  How is it going for you? I saw some new videos on youtube

Now got drag radials, so i can test it on 1/4mile next month.
Car is worked fine. Some injector test is done on the dyno.

(02-24-2010 08:52 AM)jeemu Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 12:51 AM)tomnik Wrote:  Jeemu,

how can a 7mm element make 170ccm??
Effective stroke has to be about 4.4mm!
Does Myna regrind the cam ?

Tom

I dont know. I just send the pump there

Its the way pumps are set....

A certain quantity Per 1000 Strokes....

In this case, 170ccm/1000

So, by rough calcul;ation the engine will be burning 6 litres per minute at 6000 RPM under full rack.....!!

(05-24-2010 04:50 AM)jeemu Wrote:  

(05-23-2010 05:11 PM)Mercy Wrote:  How is it going for you? I saw some new videos on youtube

Now got drag radials, so i can test it on 1/4mile next month.
Car is worked fine. Some injector test is done on the dyno.

okey i have planed to do injector test also.. But maby you can tell me what you find out??

(05-24-2010 05:53 PM)Mercy Wrote:  

(05-24-2010 04:50 AM)jeemu Wrote:  

(05-23-2010 05:11 PM)Mercy Wrote:  How is it going for you? I saw some new videos on youtube

Now got drag radials, so i can test it on 1/4mile next month.
Car is worked fine. Some injector test is done on the dyno.

okey i have planed to do injector test also.. But maby you can tell me what you find out??

Must test some more. Max torgue comes 500rpm sooner than originals.

(05-26-2010 05:25 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Must test some more. Max torgue comes 500rpm sooner than originals.

Wow that's interesting. What does it do to the dyno curve shape?