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Hi from finland.
Here is my last dynograph
Om605
Heavy modded sylinderhead
Big Master Power turbo
Self made intake with Amw plenum

   

(11-28-2009 07:32 PM)E300TSC Wrote:  Wow, very nice!

Thanks. Im just Naturally-aspirated . Hpe i get that 500hp on fife sylinder what i aim for.

Looks like a bit of a dyno queen, why not put a VNT/VGT turbo on there? What did you do to the cylinder head. If you could get more of that power closer to 2400rpm that would be tits. What boost levels are you seeing at 2k,3k and 4k?

(12-02-2009 05:00 PM)winmutt Wrote:  Looks like a bit of a dyno queen, why not put a VNT/VGT turbo on there? What did you do to the cylinder head. If you could get more of that power closer to 2400rpm that would be tits. What boost levels are you seeing at 2k,3k and 4k?

Dyno queen or not. This car goes on the road just fine No vnt coming on this car, or any my cars.
I change smaller turbinehousing on this turbo when i get one, so it spools lower. Now i installed main priority valve so it spools better and revs easier than that dyno vid.
Next project i use 2 turbos as a compound.
Sylinder head is ported and fit bigger valves.

You have vnt? Can we see your dyno graph?

Nice curves jeemu, and I have been following your video posts for some time now.

In addition, I really like the rpms you are able to turn with what looks like a modification to the timing device. What is the rpm limit? What rpm (if you can tell) does the injection pump stop advancing?

Thanks!

(11-29-2009 04:58 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

(11-28-2009 07:32 PM)E300TSC Wrote:  Wow, very nice!

Thanks. Im just Naturally-aspirated . Hpe i get that 500hp on fife sylinder what i aim for.

(12-02-2009 06:02 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Now i installed main priority valve

I saw that video but I still don't understand its function.

(12-02-2009 09:19 PM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  

(12-02-2009 06:02 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Now i installed main priority valve

I saw that video but I still don't understand its function.

Its a valve that opens before turbo make boost. When intake is boost valve is closed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4o-QN4DnU

(12-03-2009 02:43 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Its a valve that opens before turbo make boost. When intake is boost valve is closed.

Does it bypass the intercooler when the turbo isn't making any boost? That would allow the engine to flow better without boost, right?

Thanks for all the info you keep giving us!!

(12-04-2009 03:19 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-03-2009 02:43 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Its a valve that opens before turbo make boost. When intake is boost valve is closed.

Does it bypass the intercooler when the turbo isn't making any boost? That would allow the engine to flow better without boost, right?

Thanks for all the info you keep giving us!!

You are 100% correct

(12-04-2009 03:23 PM)jeemu Wrote:  You are 100% correct

Awesome! Thanks for the info! So I guess you've seen some benefit from it in your testing so far? That's very interesting since I didn't think the huge intercoolers you use would really pose that much of a restriction.

It is not the intercooler or charge piping that causes the restriction, but rather the inertia from the large diameter compressor and turbine wheels.

I've noticed this as well using a Holset HX40 using a gasser turbo gauge, and would see a bit of vacuum upon revving the engine. It is more pronounced when the engine/turbo is cold. I would imagine the benefit is even greater with a larger turbo than the HX40.

In addition, allowing the extra air into the engine, without any vaccum, will feed more exhaust products to the turbine wheel, decreasing the time for the turbo to spool, creating boost faster.

(12-05-2009 01:50 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-04-2009 03:23 PM)jeemu Wrote:  You are 100% correct

Awesome! Thanks for the info! So I guess you've seen some benefit from it in your testing so far? That's very interesting since I didn't think the huge intercoolers you use would really pose that much of a restriction.

(12-05-2009 02:37 PM)DervTuning Wrote:  It is not the intercooler or charge piping that causes the restriction, but rather the inertia from the large diameter compressor and turbine wheels.

I've noticed this as well using a Holset HX40 using a gasser turbo gauge, and would see a bit of vacuum upon revving the engine. It is more pronounced when the engine/turbo is cold. I would imagine the benefit is even greater with a larger turbo than the HX40.

In addition, allowing the extra air into the engine, without any vaccum, will feed more exhaust products to the turbine wheel, decreasing the time for the turbo to spool, creating boost faster.

(12-05-2009 01:50 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-04-2009 03:23 PM)jeemu Wrote:  You are 100% correct

Awesome! Thanks for the info! So I guess you've seen some benefit from it in your testing so far? That's very interesting since I didn't think the huge intercoolers you use would really pose that much of a restriction.

DervTuning is right. Big wheel Turbo spins "slowly" at low rpm, so engine have more air for breather valve and makes engine low end and turbo spooling better. This Master Power wheels are 65mm kompressor and 69mm turbine.

Here is few photo of the engine.

Nice looking engine! Is that a Piper Cross air filter on the priority valve?

(12-06-2009 02:58 PM)DervTuning Wrote:  Nice looking engine! Is that a Piper Cross air filter on the priority valve?

Yes that is Pipercross filter.

(12-02-2009 05:00 PM)winmutt Wrote:  Looks like a bit of a dyno queen, why not put a VNT/VGT turbo on there? What did you do to the cylinder head. If you could get more of that power closer to 2400rpm that would be tits. What boost levels are you seeing at 2k,3k and 4k?

I don't know if I'd call that a dyno queen. Still has 200lb-ft at about 2400 rpm, and how much do you need in cruise mode? Besides, take the turbo size down a notch, lose a little top end power and it'd be better for regular street duty, swap the turbos out for fun time, keep about 85% of the power but it's more usable for more mundane driving...I'll take 85% of that graph any day .

Yeah, I don't think it's a dyno queen, might be a little more of a 'four cylinder' type power curve instead of a V8 power curve minus the top end power...like a Honda, just with 600+ lb ft!

Jeemu, you're a Finnish MB diesel head who actually shares info with us crusty Americans...get crackin' on a 617 and you can be our Yoda .

(12-07-2009 04:13 AM)CID Vicious Wrote:  

(12-02-2009 05:00 PM)winmutt Wrote:  Looks like a bit of a dyno queen, why not put a VNT/VGT turbo on there? What did you do to the cylinder head. If you could get more of that power closer to 2400rpm that would be tits. What boost levels are you seeing at 2k,3k and 4k?

I don't know if I'd call that a dyno queen. Still has 200lb-ft at about 2400 rpm, and how much do you need in cruise mode? Besides, take the turbo size down a notch, lose a little top end power and it'd be better for regular street duty, swap the turbos out for fun time, keep about 85% of the power but it's more usable for more mundane driving...I'll take 85% of that graph any day .

Yeah, I don't think it's a dyno queen, might be a little more of a 'four cylinder' type power curve instead of a V8 power curve minus the top end power...like a Honda, just with 600+ lb ft!

Jeemu, you're a Finnish MB diesel head who actually shares info with us crusty Americans...get crackin' on a 617 and you can be our Yoda .

Thanks. We all have own opinions and that is good. If someone sees that a dyno gueen, thats ok. I dont loose my sleep

Lets see what kind graph that new engine gives.

And im just a rookie what come tuning on Mercedes.

Glad to see some Finns here on the US board. Suomi!

Check out the exhaust manifold/header - NICE.
On edit - here's the link: http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img984033.jpg

Beers,

Matt - 1/4 Finn and dang proud of it.

(12-07-2009 10:00 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Thanks. We all have own opinions and that is good. If someone sees that a dyno gueen, thats ok. I dont loose my sleep

Its not like I haven't stopped drooling over it . I would just be interested to see what a big frame VNT would do for it.

(12-07-2009 01:18 PM)HoleshotHolset Wrote:  Glad to see some Finns here on the US board. Suomi!

Check out the exhaust manifold/header - NICE.
On edit - here's the link: http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img984033.jpg

Beers,

Matt - 1/4 Finn and dang proud of it.

Hello. Thanks. That manifold is my first what i did on Mersu.
Now i bought manifold fron KKDmotorsport. http://kkdmotorsport.kuvat.fi/kuvat/pakosarjoja/

om605 http://kkdmotorsport.kuvat.fi/kuvat/pako....5syl+.JPG

There is new photos on my car, if someone is interest
http://kuvablogi.com/blog/6520/16/

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(12-07-2009 01:48 PM)winmutt Wrote:  

(12-07-2009 10:00 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Thanks. We all have own opinions and that is good. If someone sees that a dyno gueen, thats ok. I dont loose my sleep

Its not like I haven't stopped drooling over it . I would just be interested to see what a big frame VNT would do for it.

Dont drool yor laptop goes ruined
Here in Finland is few ST project on big VNT

(12-07-2009 03:25 PM)jeemu Wrote:  if someone is interest

Oh I think there is no lack of interest ....

Jeemu, you need to rock that thing for awhile in that green urethane primer...it'd look tits with those wheels and Plasti-dipped trim, and you could paint it and peel the plasti-dip off later if you wanted to.

Assuming the whole car is getting repainted, of course, a green nose on a different colored body would look pretty retarded. Then again, when you stomp someone's ass at a stoplight, they'd have gotten beaten by 'that retarded looking Mercedes'

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Its not like I haven't stopped drooling over it . I would just be interested to see what a big frame VNT would do for it.
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This thread is about Jeemu's car, but I intend to do just that. I have a GT45R VGT just about ready to fit to an OM606. I will let everyone know how well it works on the engine that will be fitted with the 7.5mm diameter M75 Floyd elements.

Back to Jeemu's car ! I am loving these clamps!


http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/2292038


http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/2245329/

Its not like I haven't stopped drooling over it . I would just be interested to see what a big frame VNT would do for it.
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This thread is about Jeemu's car, but I intend to do just that. I have a GT45R VGT just about ready to fit to an OM606. I will let everyone know how well it works on the engine that will be fitted with the 7.5mm diameter M75 Floyd elements.

Back to Jeemu's car ! I am loving these clamps!


http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/2292038


http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/2245329/
[/quote]DervTuning has awesome project by the way what engine that 201 chassis has been? My w124 weight 1350kg =2975lbs

Those HDi clamps are wery good stuff.

Today i do injection adsustment what increases when boost increas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDf3Rob6Pr4

The engine that is in the w201 chassis is the 2.3-16 valver, which will be pulled in lieu of the om606. I will be sure to weigh the car when the swap is complete.

(12-09-2009 02:57 PM)jeemu Wrote:  DervTuning has awesome project by the way what engine that 201 chassis has been? My w124 weight 1350kg =2975lbs

Those HDi clamps are wery good stuff.

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(12-12-2009 02:45 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Today i do injection adsustment what increases when boost increas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDf3Rob6Pr4

Thank you for posting this! Very slick

(12-12-2009 02:45 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Today i do injection adsustment what increases when boost increas.

Very cool!! That is just a standard pressure wastegate actuator correct? I think you're the first person I've ever seen implement the ALDA functionality on an NA pump.

(12-14-2009 06:29 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-12-2009 02:45 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Today i do injection adsustment what increases when boost increas.

Very cool!! That is just a standard pressure wastegate actuator correct? I think you're the first person I've ever seen implement the ALDA functionality on an NA pump.

Hello. Yes that is normal wastegate actuator. Not smoke that much as the Mb original "morkooli"

jeemu, on a random note, would you explain what you did to the timing device? It looks like you removed some metal from the stop peg. Did you do anything else? Also, what do you set your timing at?

Thanks!!

(12-15-2009 10:51 AM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  jeemu, on a random note, would you explain what you did to the timing device? It looks like you removed some metal from the stop peg. Did you do anything else? Also, what do you set your timing at?

Thanks!!

Hello. Just took material off. More advance on higher revs. Dont do anything else. Timing in now 16degrees advanse.

(12-15-2009 12:16 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Hello. Just took material off. More advance on higher revs. Dont do anything else. Timing in now 16 degrees advanse.

Awesome! Thanks again for the info.

(12-15-2009 12:35 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-15-2009 12:16 PM)jeemu Wrote:  Hello. Just took material off. More advance on higher revs. Dont do anything else. Timing in now 16 degrees advanse.

Awesome! Thanks again for the info.

Thats why the forums are. Share informations

(12-14-2009 06:29 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  I think you're the first person I've ever seen implement the ALDA functionality on an NA pump.

Hmm...looks kinda familiar compared to mine



Don't know how it works if made on original turbo pump (like jeemu's), but this was NA pump so little modification had to be made inside the pump. The lever in that stop-axle had to be made independet of axle's position, so the vacuum actuator on the top of the pump could stop the engine (without this mod, you can't stop the engine if actuator is directly connected to stop lever!). Then another lever was welded to the axle, so the ALDA actuator can limit fueling. So both the vacuum-operated stop- and ALDA -actuators can limit fueling independent of each other. Too bad I didn't take any pictures..

(12-15-2009 05:36 PM)muuris Wrote:  

(12-14-2009 06:29 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  I think you're the first person I've ever seen implement the ALDA functionality on an NA pump.

Hmm...looks kinda familiar compared to mine



Don't know how it works if made on original turbo pump (like jeemu's), but this was NA pump so little modification had to be made inside the pump. The lever in that stop-axle had to be made independet of axle's position, so the vacuum actuator on the top of the pump could stop the engine (without this mod, you can't stop the engine if actuator is directly connected to stop lever!). Then another lever was welded to the axle, so the ALDA actuator can limit fueling. So both the vacuum-operated stop- and ALDA -actuators can limit fueling independent of each other. Too bad I didn't take any pictures..

Ha. Yes it does my friend . In my case that is not solid in the stop axle. Stop axle is free to move down when you turn engine off.

Tammikuus katotaa sauna kestävyys ST sauna miitis

(12-15-2009 05:36 PM)muuris Wrote:  Hmm...looks kinda familiar compared to mine

Whoops!

Thanks for the excellent explanation of how you did your modification. When those of us on this side of the pond get to modifying things to your level that description will come in handy!

(12-16-2009 11:09 AM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(12-15-2009 05:36 PM)muuris Wrote:  Hmm...looks kinda familiar compared to mine

Whoops!

Thanks for the excellent explanation of how you did your modification. When those of us on this side of the pond get to modifying things to your level that description will come in handy!

Indeed, big thanks to Jeemu and Muuris both for joining the forum, and to the excellent discussions that have resulted

Just want to show you the latest ALDA mÿna is now mounting to the pump.
Hope this will keep the smoke under control.
Hope to mount it soon.
By the way this is also going on an OM606 :-)

Bought today Eaton. Little boost in low rev

How much does KKD sell their 603 manifold for? i cant read their website i don't speak the language. I was going to build my own but if it's the right price i will just buy it. Also do you know if it will fit on a 603 that is in a 190e series?
thanks for the help
Nathan
Check out the exhaust manifold/header - NICE.
On edit - here's the link: http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img984033.jpg

Beers,

Matt - 1/4 Finn and dang proud of it.
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Hello. Thanks. That manifold is my first what i did on Mersu.
Now i bought manifold fron KKDmotorsport. http://kkdmotorsport.kuvat.fi/kuvat/pakosarjoja/

om605 http://kkdmotorsport.kuvat.fi/kuvat/pako....5syl+.JPG

There is new photos on my car, if someone is interest
http://kuvablogi.com/blog/6520/16/

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(12-07-2009 01:48 PM)winmutt Wrote:  

(12-07-2009 10:00 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Thanks. We all have own opinions and that is good. If someone sees that a dyno gueen, thats ok. I dont loose my sleep

Its not like I haven't stopped drooling over it . I would just be interested to see what a big frame VNT would do for it.

Dont drool yor laptop goes ruined
Here in Finland is few ST project on big VNT
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(12-20-2009 12:53 PM)winequip_td Wrote:  How much does KKD sell their 603 manifold for?

The guys email is kkdmotorsport@gmail.com. He is very helpful and quick to respond.

I was quoted 500 euros for the om605 plus another 50 shipping>
They do look really nice though

Excellent info - thanks for sharing.

If timing is advanced 16° at higher RPM - what is your static timing at idle? In your chassis dyno video, it sounds like a LOT of timing - but IDI's tend to sound different than DI diesels.

At what RPM does the timing device start to add more timing?

I know the OM606 in my car needs more timing - at anything above about 1200 RPM - it sounds like a gasser. Checking/adjusting the timing is on the to-do list.

Beers,

Matt

Timing is 16degrees advance. Dont know what it is in high rpm.
This mod increase advans on high rpm

(12-22-2009 06:37 AM)jeemu Wrote:  Timing is 16degrees advance. Dont know what it is in high rpm.
This mod increase advans on high rpm

Great picture - thank you!
OK - so static timing at idle is 16° BTDC and then you get the added benefit of the now modified timing advance device at higher RPM.

Beers,

Matt

the mod that myna does to the stop lever doe anyone know what exactly that does? Does it add more fuel or is it something to do with timing?

(12-25-2009 09:57 PM)winequip_td Wrote:  the mod that myna does to the stop lever doe anyone know what exactly that does? Does it add more fuel or is it something to do with timing?

for sure not with timing.
They used to do it instead of an ALDA when using n/a IPs but here they have an ALDA (or maybe just an ADA) maybe they just increase the travel range by turning the stop lever additionally.
But it is really not clear for me.
Or at the end it is just a mechanical stop device cause they raped the ADA that the pneumatic device just cant work anymore.

Tom

It does just the same thing as originally (reduces fueling). Now it just doesn't reduce fueling enough to stall the engine, but to lessen smoking when not on boost (ALDA function, but with larger travel range). Now that the pump has been modified, the maximum fueling (stop lever all the way up) is 4 to 5 times the original, but the non-boost fueling has to be remained close to original. This is when stop lever is about 4/5 down of the travel.

(12-20-2009 08:24 PM)brynton Wrote:  I was quoted 500 euros for the om605 plus another 50 shipping>
They do look really nice though

They are nice. Here are mine, or some lousy pics anyway. It's not a Merc or diesel and far from super http://www.hevosvoima.com/foorumi/viewto...p?f=9&t=31
Scroll down and you'll find some. Made of SS.

Some updates. I took my spare cylinderhead to my friend at he can fix that
if current goes bye bye





And

(01-09-2010 08:09 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

Did you take the prechamber pins out on purpose? Do you run them like that in the engine?

Hopefully he can fix your head!!

(01-12-2010 12:10 PM)Tymbrymi Wrote:  

(01-09-2010 08:09 PM)jeemu Wrote:  

Did you take the prechamber pins out on purpose? Do you run them like that in the engine?

Hopefully he can fix your head!!

Yes i took. Those will but back when chambers is cleaned good.
That cylinderhead dont go bad so it can be fixed.