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garage Offline
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Coilovers
Ive seen pics of a w123 wagon, and a w116 with coilover setups.
Is this a option on some models... that could be swapped over?
Or a fully custom job?
09-13-2009 04:37 PM
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RE: Coilovers
(09-13-2009 04:37 PM)garage Wrote:  Ive seen pics of a w123 wagon, and a w116 with coilover setups.
Is this a option on some models... that could be swapped over?
Or a fully custom job?

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RE: Coilovers
I cannot remember where i saw the wagon at, when i fing it ill post it.
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.

Locked diff too!
hehe
09-13-2009 08:45 PM
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RE: Coilovers
Those aren't coilovers, those are shocks inside the springs. The stock configuration.
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RE: Coilovers
(09-13-2009 08:45 PM)garage Wrote:  ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
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OT- I dig the w116 wagon...


   





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RE: Coilovers
(09-13-2009 09:29 PM)ForcedInduction Wrote:  Those aren't coilovers, those are shocks inside the springs. The stock configuration.

If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.
(09-14-2009 05:40 AM)DeliveryValve Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 08:45 PM)garage Wrote:  ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
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OT- I dig the w116 wagon...

I know right, talk about rare.







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RE: Coilovers
(09-14-2009 12:21 PM)garage Wrote:  If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.

On the front, yes.
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RE: Coilovers
Geez, well im just talking nonsense then.
Your right.

Well has that been heard of at all on these cars(coilovers)??
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RE: Coilovers
(09-13-2009 08:45 PM)garage Wrote:  I cannot remember where i saw the wagon at, when i fing it ill post it.
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.

Locked diff too!
hehe

That 4th picture looks like the Aluminium trailing arms from a W126.
these were discussed over on Peachparts a while back. thought the
consenses was they wouldn`t fit.

Were they available for the w123 in other markets?

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RE: Coilovers
This is a 116.

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RE: Coilovers
Actually, if someone were willing to do the research, I'm pretty sure one could cobble together a coilover system for these cars using coilovers designed for other applications. It would be a matter of getting the right spring length figured out and mounting it. As far as shock settings and spring rates go you have your pick. I had a cheap set of Korean K-sport coilovers on my SE-R and it was a phenomenal difference in a car that had very good essentials from the factory already. Although the K-sports had pillow ball mounts, built in camber plates and came with Heim jointed endlinks for the rear sway bar, too.

I think that if someone were willing to do the homework, this is quite feasible for our cars and would certainly be a step up from cutting springs and whatnot.
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RE: Coilovers
What are people's thoughts on using the existing shock mounts as coilover mounting points?

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RE: Coilovers
(02-17-2010 05:30 PM)tantank79 Wrote:  What are people's thoughts on using the existing shock mounts as coilover mounting points?

Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing. The A-arms and trailing arms were probably designed to have the spring mounted in its cup only. There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
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RE: Coilovers
(02-17-2010 11:03 PM)Secondaries Wrote:  There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...

Like...?

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RE: Coilovers
Look up some GM G bodies and the like with coilovers, while the systems are far from identical it's still upper and lower A's and the adaptation process would be similar.

That would be something to look into...adapting a QA1 coilover kit from another application.
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RE: Coilovers
(02-18-2010 09:16 AM)tantank79 Wrote:  
(02-17-2010 11:03 PM)Secondaries Wrote:  There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...

Like...?

Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. http://www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.
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RE: Coilovers
(02-19-2010 02:00 AM)Secondaries Wrote:  
(02-18-2010 09:16 AM)tantank79 Wrote:  
(02-17-2010 11:03 PM)Secondaries Wrote:  There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...

Like...?

Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. http://www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.

Ok, that is basically what I have been thinking about as well, but wanted to hear your ideas. I'm considering making adapters/towers that bolt into holes where the spring cups are originally bolted into the lower control arm and drilling a few holes in the upper spring seat area of the body.

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RE: Coilovers
What about on a wagon? The SLS shock mounting points were designed for load bearing.

(02-17-2010 11:03 PM)Secondaries Wrote:  Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing.

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RE: Coilovers
The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.


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RE: Coilovers
Since this came back up, I would like to pose this question again.


(02-25-2010 11:32 PM)tantank79 Wrote:  What about on a wagon? The SLS shock mounting points were designed for load bearing.

(02-17-2010 11:03 PM)Secondaries Wrote:  Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing.

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RE: Coilovers
The wagon chassis is very different from the sedan B-pillar back. The SLS supports the majority of the body load while the springs are basically there as a fail-safe.

SLS is available in the sedans. I don't know what, if any, reinforcement was done for them.
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RE: Coilovers
What aout the W201.034/036, some of them had SLS all the way and springs similar to small motorcykles.
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RE: Coilovers
sls 4 way on a w201 was only available in the euro 2.5-16v, and evo models. But thats only a option, and a dime a dozen. So goodluck with finding that.

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RE: Coilovers
(11-14-2010 01:20 PM)mike-81-240d Wrote:  The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.

Yeah but the suspension is no longer original either, i belive most of it is from a Toyota Aristo.
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The steering gear is from a volvo!

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The car is just bitchin
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(11-29-2010 09:02 PM)garage Wrote:  
(11-14-2010 01:20 PM)mike-81-240d Wrote:  The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.

Yeah but the suspension is no longer original either, i belive most of it is from a Toyota Aristo.

Yes, you are right, the team black smoke racing car has Toyota, gearbox, rearend, and some of the front suspension too(including steering rack).
PPC mag(uk), have just done an article on it, in the latest issue, I was actually quite dissapointed in how little of the original Mercedes was left.
In my sedan build, I'm trying to use as many Mercedes parts as possible, mainly just to challenge myself, but also because I think there is plenty of strong parts across the entire model range to build my car. But I am looking into fitting/making coilovers for my car.
I'll let you know how I get onWink

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