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1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver (Pics!!)
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1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver (Pics!!)
1987 300TDT - White with Palomino Interior. I am the 3rd owner. The previous owners are friends and bought it in the early 1990s at an estate sale. Mercedes replaced the trap ox and turbo under recall at some point. First thing I did when I got the car was make sure the coolant system was functioning as it should. New water pump, fan resistor, radiator, fan clutch, and thermostat. Vehicle is completely rust free but some suspension components still need to be replaced. Mostly rubber bushings and such.

As of 8/10/2010 I am getting CLK Wheels and new tires, and purchasing an HY35 nearby. Pump is currently stock (with a leak from lower gasket). Vehicle is running Mobil 1 0w40 Synthetic. Transmission is not perfect. My plans are:

- Install Euro W140 Exhaust Manifold with Holset HX35 Turbo w/4" downpipe.
- Install new 3" straight pipe with removable rear section for daily driving.
- Get some reasonable numbers on the difference these 2 things made and report.

Later:

- Send IP to DervTuning for install of Floyd 7.5 Elements and tune.
- Rebuild or have rebuilt my transmission with tougher internals and different first gear from later W124 transmission.

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[Image: wagon1.jpg]

[Image: wagon2.jpg]

Poor thing has a black eye...Euros are on the list as well!

[Image: wagon3.jpg]

Leaky bottom seal on injection pump...I think some 7.5mm elements and some work by DervTuning will clear this right up Smile

[Image: ip1.jpg]

Excuse the 15" AMG Wheels, they do not fit. I will have my new 16" CLK wheels on it once I get tires. Also...brake dust is NOT from my car, I had the wheels on another.

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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver
Sweet, this should be fun to see a wagon with some power!
...besides the green one..
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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver
Need Pictures!

   

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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver
Sounds like our goals are similar. I would like to get 275-300hp at the crank from my 603, without much loss of low-end power, no increase in lag, and without spinning the engine past the factory ~5400rpm redline. I also have the W140 manifold and turbo, and I was planning to run the factory Euro downpipe. I'm trying to do this in two stages, first with a pump with 6.0mm elements (should be good for 200hp, maybe a bit more) and later on switch to the 7.5mm Floyd elements, which will supply enough fuel for 275-300hp.

Remember that if you don't increase fueling on your stock pump, you'll get little to zero power gain with the change in manifold, turbo, and exhaust plumbing. The backpressures and/or EGT may decrease but there won't be any more power until you feed it more fuel. Of course you could max out the stock pump in the meantime.

A couple other things to add to your plans... limited-slip diff, and brake upgrades. You'll need both with ~275hp on tap.

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^^^Bump for pics^^^

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Looks good!

1982 300D Turbo ... The Tank ... E-fans, Exhaust/Down pipe ends at Firewall, A/C delete, ALDA delete, Rack limiter delete
2009 Buell 1125CR ... 146 American Made horse power on two wheels
1972 GMC Sprint (El Camino) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G73Q8cSpEbs
1988 Jeep Cherokee XJ ... The offroad master, Detroit Lockers, 4" Lift, 32 x 11.50 BFG Mud Terrains, Cut front fenders, bastard leaf pack
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I want those rims they look great!

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It is funny, I just threw the wheels on because they had better tires...they are 205/60/15, but they should be 205/65/15. I have gotten mostly negative comments regarding them! I will probably sell them soon. I have 5 total, I even have a spare!

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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver (Pics!!)
Nice looking MB Cool

That picture of ip, where is your ALDA?
And if you use hy35 you dont need 4" DP. 2.5-3" is big enough.

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I am now using an HX35...just as you suggested. With that should I do a 4" downpipe to mate to the 3" straight pipe?

Alda has been removed because it is not working properly. I need to fix it or make my own. A custom Alda would be nice but I am not sure how to do that! What is on your ip where you used a wastegate actuator on the stop lever. Does that replace the Alda?

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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver (Pics!!)
Here are is a new pics with the CLK wheels I just got:

[Image: wagonclk2.jpg]

And a dyno run done with Dynolicious for iPhone. This is one of my better runs, the best 0-60 I have had was 10 flat. This is on a flat road and started by holding brake and releasing. 3rd gear is where you really notice the acceleration decrease. Other than ALDA being removed, the car is stock.

Wagon

1987 Mercedes 300TDT

Aug 31, 2010 11:17 PM
Acceleration

0-10 MPH: 0.87 sec
0-20 MPH: 1.86 sec
0-30 MPH: 3.25 sec
0-40 MPH: 5.00 sec
0-50 MPH: 7.35 sec
0-60 MPH: 10.48 sec
0-70 MPH: 14.42 sec
Elapsed Time

60': 2.67 sec @ 24.6 MPH
330': 7.29 sec @ 48.4 MPH
1/8 mi: 11.26 sec @ 61.5 MPH
1000': 14.73 sec @ 71.3 MPH
1/4 mi: 17.66 sec @ 76.7 MPH
Miscellaneous

Max Speed: 77.7 MPH
Max Acceleration: 0.55 G's
Peak Horsepower: 147 HP

Generated by Dynolicious

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Finally got some tint on it. 20% all around:

[Image: wagontint.jpg]

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I vote update. Any euros yet?
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Just scored a brand new Lorinser Bumper :-)

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I've already drooled over it at PP or BW but now I will drool here some more....

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So...is this missing brackets necessary for mounting to my car? I have never removed or installed a bumper...so I am looking into what to expect when I go to install this bumper. Are there brackets that come off of my old bumper and attach to the new one?

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I finally got around to ordering some euros...I went with Depo brand based on reading nothing but good things about them. I will post pics of them installed once I get my Euro wiring bits in the mail.


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YES!!!!

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Current mods: 3rd brake lamp, 4 brake mod, dark amber euro corners, euro tails, vacuum euro low specs, straight piped+glasspack, slant cut tip, boost at 10 psi, 16x7 polished CLK's, oem skid plate+protection plateBig Grin, 12in subDodgy, kenwood HU, Hella 500's, roof rack+custom wind fairing, 55 watt 4500k bi xenons, EGR delete, ARV delete.
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RE: 1987 300TDT Project - Goal = 275HP Daily Driver (Pics!!)
I would love to have this car. I want another wagon but I don't really care for the 123 body style.

-Jesse

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i need euros... us spec headlights are so ugly

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Even fuglier when they get faded and brittle and break!! Once my low beams quit I decided I'd hold out for the euros that I've been holding out for. Ha

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truth lol. mine are getting pretty rough. not worth my time to try and restore them. ill get the clear euros. but looks will be after i get it back to around 10sec 0-60

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I only prefer the early euros, the others look dumb

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2009 Buell 1125CR ... 146 American Made horse power on two wheels
1972 GMC Sprint (El Camino) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G73Q8cSpEbs
1988 Jeep Cherokee XJ ... The offroad master, Detroit Lockers, 4" Lift, 32 x 11.50 BFG Mud Terrains, Cut front fenders, bastard leaf pack
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Explain early Euros please. As in pre-facelift?

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(09-13-2011 09:39 PM)Captain America Wrote:  I only prefer the early euros, the others look dumb

Common cap... W124 not W123

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Current mods: 3rd brake lamp, 4 brake mod, dark amber euro corners, euro tails, vacuum euro low specs, straight piped+glasspack, slant cut tip, boost at 10 psi, 16x7 polished CLK's, oem skid plate+protection plateBig Grin, 12in subDodgy, kenwood HU, Hella 500's, roof rack+custom wind fairing, 55 watt 4500k bi xenons, EGR delete, ARV delete.
Future mods: MBC, tune stock pump, cut springs, euro bumpers, manny tranny, Hy35, 10mm elements
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Whats a w124? lol

1982 300D Turbo ... The Tank ... E-fans, Exhaust/Down pipe ends at Firewall, A/C delete, ALDA delete, Rack limiter delete
2009 Buell 1125CR ... 146 American Made horse power on two wheels
1972 GMC Sprint (El Camino) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G73Q8cSpEbs
1988 Jeep Cherokee XJ ... The offroad master, Detroit Lockers, 4" Lift, 32 x 11.50 BFG Mud Terrains, Cut front fenders, bastard leaf pack
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which ones are you talking about captain? i think the ones johnbob and i have are hideous. i need the ones that are all one piece.

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No real updates right now but I am getting in desperate need of pulling my trans and replacing front main seal because I am leaving a 8-10" spot overnight. That said I got a quote from Jonathan at Blue Ridge Mercedes in GA on getting my current transmission reinforced for handling the extra power. I am hoping to do it sometime after Christmas.

Some other thoughts I have are getting something done with the torque converter...what can be done with it and should I bother?

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The 1987 300D/TD torque converter is quite loose in stock form... I was actually considering swapping out for the later one, which is tighter. The '87 converter doesn't want to lock up until nearly 3k now that the power is in the ~180hp range. Even the dyno graph doesn't have a good curve until 3250rpm, due to the sloppy converter. But it makes for a killer launch, at the dragstrip it's almost equal to my 500E's if I bring boost up to ~5psi before letting off the brake!

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Well, now that my brake caliper is not dragging me down I am getting 26 mpg mostly in town and car is much more spry. Now if I can get around to yanking the transmission and fixing the leak...it is VERY bad these days.

Anyhow, here is a dynolicios run I just did. It is about 65 degrees outside and I was from a stop light from idle, no brake acceleration. Oh, and I had a full load of cargo in every seat and the rear!

   

   

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I have a VDO boost gauge and a VDO EGT gauge in the mail! Hopefully I will be putting it in the ash tray location very cleanly.

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god i wish i could get mine back to a ~12 sec 0-60 Sad

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